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RSB Tar Sands


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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 9:07 am Post subject: Saudi Arabia to boost capacity to 12.5 mb/d |
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http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601072&sid=aipdCDDwu6NQ&refer=energy
| Quote: | | Saudi Arabia plans to boost its oil production capacity to 12.5 million barrels a day by 2009, Naimi said. The rush to develop biofuels has increased the cost of ``the marginal barrel worldwide,'' he said. |
What do you think? Peak theorists are wrong on Saudi Arabia's situation? |
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mgibbons19 Light Sweet Crude

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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 9:13 am Post subject: Re: Saudi Arabia to boost capacity to 12.5 mb/d |
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| Guess we'll find out. |
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centralstump Tar Sands


Joined: Sep 27, 2007 Posts: 59
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 9:18 am Post subject: Re: Saudi Arabia to boost capacity to 12.5 mb/d |
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| RSB wrote: | http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601072&sid=aipdCDDwu6NQ&refer=energy
| Quote: | | Saudi Arabia plans to boost its oil production capacity to 12.5 million barrels a day by 2009, Naimi said. The rush to develop biofuels has increased the cost of ``the marginal barrel worldwide,'' he said. |
What do you think? Peak theorists are wrong on Saudi Arabia's situation? |
That's not really what they said. What they said is that they are going to finish out their current projects and then they plan to "not" increase oil production after that. Here's a link to an earlier thread.
http://www.peakoil.com/fortopic38859.html
the bloomberg iarticle seems like spin to me. |
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AirlinePilot Moderator


Joined: Apr 05, 2005 Posts: 2296 Location: South of Atlanta
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 9:21 am Post subject: Re: Saudi Arabia to boost capacity to 12.5 mb/d |
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Sigh......
RSB,
The Saudi's have been throwing around production number increases for a while now. Other than a probable small increase last year they are still holding around 9-9.5 mb/day. They may be able to go to 12.5 but as of late it is starting to look as though it may not be possible. I personally doubt they ever go above 11, and even that is going to be a monumentally expensive struggle. They have cleaned the rest of the world of rigs to even try!
Most here would be skeptical until that number is actually flowing. They must make up for 6-8% decline in the older fields first before moving higher. I don't believe they are having the successes yet to allow it.
I hope they can do it for all our sakes, but the reality when it comes to the Saudi's, and OPEC for that matter isn't what they say or what you read over at Bloomberg. Far too many folks point to these articles and say, look! we're saved!
Nothing could be further from the truth. |
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RSB Tar Sands


Joined: May 13, 2008 Posts: 28
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 9:28 am Post subject: Re: Saudi Arabia to boost capacity to 12.5 mb/d |
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So what you're saying is that Saudi Arabia's declarations have little credibility, right? I'm fairly new to the peak oil subject, so I didn't know about that.
I'll try to find some links about that, if you have any at hand please pass them on I'm already reading the thread linked above. |
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rockdoc123 Light Sweet Crude


Joined: May 16, 2005 Posts: 1629
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 9:47 am Post subject: Re: Saudi Arabia to boost capacity to 12.5 mb/d |
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If you use the search button there is a whole very large thread dedicated to the topic.
And once again they are not talking about increasing production to that level but rather spare capacity. Theoretically they could gradually draw down on the spare capacity as a means of offsetting ongoing field declines and maintaining current production levels. The announced Saudi projects are more or less on schedule with a few months delay encountered in Khusaniyah |
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Cashmere Intermediate Crude


Joined: Mar 27, 2008 Posts: 978
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 9:50 am Post subject: Re: Saudi Arabia to boost capacity to 12.5 mb/d |
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Any country anywhere saying they will produce substantially more oil gets from me the following:
IBIWISI
(I'll believe it when I see it). _________________ Massive Human Dieoff must occur as a result of Peak Oil. Many more than half will die. It will occur everywhere, including where you live. If you fail to recognize this, then your odds of living move toward the "going to die" group. |
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Dreamtwister Fission


Joined: Feb 06, 2006 Posts: 2011
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 10:01 am Post subject: Re: Saudi Arabia to boost capacity to 12.5 mb/d |
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| RSB wrote: | | So what you're saying is that Saudi Arabia's declarations have little credibility, right? |
I'm suggesting this for a member quote. _________________ The whole of human history is a refutation by experiment of the concept of "moral world order". - Friedrich Nietzsche |
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joewp Light Sweet Crude


Joined: Apr 05, 2005 Posts: 1560 Location: Springsteen Country (NJ)
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 1:45 pm Post subject: Re: Saudi Arabia to boost capacity to 12.5 mb/d |
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| rockdoc123 wrote: |
And once again they are not talking about increasing production to that level but rather spare capacity. |
Hey rockdoc, let me know when you find a way to pump some "spare capacity" into my gas tank so I can drive around on it. Or better yet, pump some of it into the diesel tanks of the vehicles that grow and transport the food I eat. Until then, it's just vaporware. _________________ Joe P. United Political Debate
"Only when the last tree is cut; only when the last river is polluted; only when the last fish is caught; only then will they realize that you cannot eat money." - Cree Indian Proverb |
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threadbear Expert


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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 1:58 pm Post subject: Re: Saudi Arabia to boost capacity to 12.5 mb/d |
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| mgibbons19 wrote: | | Guess we'll find out. |
Wow...MGibbons. Are you questioning Peak Oil fundamentalism? You are a very brave man.  |
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threadbear Expert


Joined: Jan 22, 2005 Posts: 6880
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 2:01 pm Post subject: Re: Saudi Arabia to boost capacity to 12.5 mb/d |
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| Dreamtwister wrote: | | RSB wrote: | | So what you're saying is that Saudi Arabia's declarations have little credibility, right? |
I'm suggesting this for a member quote. |
And I'm suggesting your's as a member quote, when oil cascades back down to 85.00, in today's dollars, Dreamtwister. |
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Triffin Heavy Crude


Joined: Mar 23, 2005 Posts: 178 Location: SW Ct SW Va
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 2:09 pm Post subject: Re: Saudi Arabia to boost capacity to 12.5 mb/d |
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Production Capacity can be any number they want it to be ..
Just like the size of their reserves ..
The only number that matters is their actual production ..
No way that number grows to 12 mbpd by 2009 if ever ..
Triff .. |
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threadbear Expert


Joined: Jan 22, 2005 Posts: 6880
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 2:12 pm Post subject: Re: Saudi Arabia to boost capacity to 12.5 mb/d |
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| Triffin wrote: | Production Capacity can be any number they want it to be ..
Just like the size of their reserves ..
The only number that matters is their actual production ..
No way that number grows to 12 mbpd by 2009 if ever ..
Triff .. |
Really. How do you know this? |
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pstarr Expert


Joined: Sep 27, 2004 Posts: 6787 Location: Behind the Redwood Curtain
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 2:18 pm Post subject: Re: Saudi Arabia to boost capacity to 12.5 mb/d |
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| Triffin wrote: | Production Capacity can be any number they want it to be ..
Just like the size of their reserves ..
The only number that matters is their actual production ..
No way that number grows to 12 mbpd by 2009 if ever ..
Triff .. | It's true. I've never seen 'capacity" defined, whereas original oil in place (OOIP), reserves (proven, probable, possible), etc. all have well defined numerically consistent and mathematically robust definitions.
'Capacity' has its own very special definition:
Capacity. "Capacity is that quantity of political petroleum that our Wise Kingdom of Allah should have to avoid being invaded, overthrown, or simply destabilized from within by the millions of unemployed, seething, 17-year boys who make up a vast minority in our corrupt and decadent society." Capacity.  _________________
ree rah rip ram. sunofabitch godamn. hidey didey christ almighty. rah rah crap  |
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Niagara Heavy Crude


Joined: Aug 17, 2006 Posts: 407 Location: Mt. Hubbert Scenic Lookout
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 2:30 pm Post subject: Re: Saudi Arabia to boost capacity to 12.5 mb/d |
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Use a car battery as an analogy, with the engine switched off so it's not being recharged (non "abiotic").
It contains a finite amount of energy. It will last a long time, many hours, to power your radio or interior lights. Spare capacity is like the "cranking amps" which can deliver large doses of current temporarily.
This is an insignificant number though. I can raise my "spare capacity" by cleaning the battery posts, buying heavier cables or warming the battery on a cold day. Big deal, it's the sustainable current that counts, at or near its useful output voltage (12V) that counts.
If Aramco can raise their spare capacity, good for them. But that would shorten the lives of the tired old fields even more if drawn upon. |
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