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Saudi Arabia to boost capacity to 12.5 mb/d
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RSB
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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 9:07 am    Post subject: Saudi Arabia to boost capacity to 12.5 mb/d Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601072&sid=aipdCDDwu6NQ&refer=energy

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Saudi Arabia plans to boost its oil production capacity to 12.5 million barrels a day by 2009, Naimi said. The rush to develop biofuels has increased the cost of ``the marginal barrel worldwide,'' he said.


What do you think? Peak theorists are wrong on Saudi Arabia's situation?
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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 9:13 am    Post subject: Re: Saudi Arabia to boost capacity to 12.5 mb/d Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Guess we'll find out.
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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 9:18 am    Post subject: Re: Saudi Arabia to boost capacity to 12.5 mb/d Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

RSB wrote:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601072&sid=aipdCDDwu6NQ&refer=energy

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Saudi Arabia plans to boost its oil production capacity to 12.5 million barrels a day by 2009, Naimi said. The rush to develop biofuels has increased the cost of ``the marginal barrel worldwide,'' he said.


What do you think? Peak theorists are wrong on Saudi Arabia's situation?



That's not really what they said. What they said is that they are going to finish out their current projects and then they plan to "not" increase oil production after that. Here's a link to an earlier thread.

http://www.peakoil.com/fortopic38859.html

the bloomberg iarticle seems like spin to me.
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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 9:21 am    Post subject: Re: Saudi Arabia to boost capacity to 12.5 mb/d Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Sigh......

RSB,

The Saudi's have been throwing around production number increases for a while now. Other than a probable small increase last year they are still holding around 9-9.5 mb/day. They may be able to go to 12.5 but as of late it is starting to look as though it may not be possible. I personally doubt they ever go above 11, and even that is going to be a monumentally expensive struggle. They have cleaned the rest of the world of rigs to even try!

Most here would be skeptical until that number is actually flowing. They must make up for 6-8% decline in the older fields first before moving higher. I don't believe they are having the successes yet to allow it.

I hope they can do it for all our sakes, but the reality when it comes to the Saudi's, and OPEC for that matter isn't what they say or what you read over at Bloomberg. Far too many folks point to these articles and say, look! we're saved!

Nothing could be further from the truth.
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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 9:28 am    Post subject: Re: Saudi Arabia to boost capacity to 12.5 mb/d Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

So what you're saying is that Saudi Arabia's declarations have little credibility, right? I'm fairly new to the peak oil subject, so I didn't know about that.

I'll try to find some links about that, if you have any at hand please pass them on Smile I'm already reading the thread linked above.
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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 9:47 am    Post subject: Re: Saudi Arabia to boost capacity to 12.5 mb/d Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

If you use the search button there is a whole very large thread dedicated to the topic.

And once again they are not talking about increasing production to that level but rather spare capacity. Theoretically they could gradually draw down on the spare capacity as a means of offsetting ongoing field declines and maintaining current production levels. The announced Saudi projects are more or less on schedule with a few months delay encountered in Khusaniyah
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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 9:50 am    Post subject: Re: Saudi Arabia to boost capacity to 12.5 mb/d Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Any country anywhere saying they will produce substantially more oil gets from me the following:

IBIWISI

(I'll believe it when I see it).
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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 10:01 am    Post subject: Re: Saudi Arabia to boost capacity to 12.5 mb/d Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

RSB wrote:
So what you're saying is that Saudi Arabia's declarations have little credibility, right?


I'm suggesting this for a member quote.
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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 1:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Saudi Arabia to boost capacity to 12.5 mb/d Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

rockdoc123 wrote:

And once again they are not talking about increasing production to that level but rather spare capacity.


Hey rockdoc, let me know when you find a way to pump some "spare capacity" into my gas tank so I can drive around on it. Or better yet, pump some of it into the diesel tanks of the vehicles that grow and transport the food I eat. Until then, it's just vaporware.
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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 1:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Saudi Arabia to boost capacity to 12.5 mb/d Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

mgibbons19 wrote:
Guess we'll find out.


Wow...MGibbons. Are you questioning Peak Oil fundamentalism? You are a very brave man. Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 2:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Saudi Arabia to boost capacity to 12.5 mb/d Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Dreamtwister wrote:
RSB wrote:
So what you're saying is that Saudi Arabia's declarations have little credibility, right?


I'm suggesting this for a member quote.


And I'm suggesting your's as a member quote, when oil cascades back down to 85.00, in today's dollars, Dreamtwister.
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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 2:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Saudi Arabia to boost capacity to 12.5 mb/d Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Production Capacity can be any number they want it to be ..
Just like the size of their reserves ..

The only number that matters is their actual production ..
No way that number grows to 12 mbpd by 2009 if ever ..

Triff ..
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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 2:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Saudi Arabia to boost capacity to 12.5 mb/d Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Triffin wrote:
Production Capacity can be any number they want it to be ..
Just like the size of their reserves ..

The only number that matters is their actual production ..
No way that number grows to 12 mbpd by 2009 if ever ..

Triff ..


Really. How do you know this?
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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 2:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Saudi Arabia to boost capacity to 12.5 mb/d Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Triffin wrote:
Production Capacity can be any number they want it to be ..
Just like the size of their reserves ..

The only number that matters is their actual production ..
No way that number grows to 12 mbpd by 2009 if ever ..

Triff ..
It's true. I've never seen 'capacity" defined, whereas original oil in place (OOIP), reserves (proven, probable, possible), etc. all have well defined numerically consistent and mathematically robust definitions.

'Capacity' has its own very special definition:

Capacity. "Capacity is that quantity of political petroleum that our Wise Kingdom of Allah should have to avoid being invaded, overthrown, or simply destabilized from within by the millions of unemployed, seething, 17-year boys who make up a vast minority in our corrupt and decadent society." Capacity. Confused
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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 2:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Saudi Arabia to boost capacity to 12.5 mb/d Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Use a car battery as an analogy, with the engine switched off so it's not being recharged (non "abiotic").

It contains a finite amount of energy. It will last a long time, many hours, to power your radio or interior lights. Spare capacity is like the "cranking amps" which can deliver large doses of current temporarily.

This is an insignificant number though. I can raise my "spare capacity" by cleaning the battery posts, buying heavier cables or warming the battery on a cold day. Big deal, it's the sustainable current that counts, at or near its useful output voltage (12V) that counts.

If Aramco can raise their spare capacity, good for them. But that would shorten the lives of the tired old fields even more if drawn upon.
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