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mmasters
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 Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 11:39 am Post subject: Re: I'm honestly freaked out |
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| Ayoob wrote: | I happen to like the fruits of the corporations. I like cheap razor blades and vodka, good music, cheap but well-built furniture, cheap food, I like the boot to be pressed down on the neck of the third world. What's wrong with it?
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The third world is slowly spreading everywhere...
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Cashmere
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 11:41 am Post subject: Re: I'm honestly freaked out |
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I'm 0 for about 30.
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DoomWarrior
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 11:48 am Post subject: Re: I'm honestly freaked out |
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| zoidberg wrote: | | I'm honestly freaked out at this point. |
Why be worried when George Bush is leading the world? I sleep like a baby knowing that he is preparing us for peak oil and economic / environmental collapse. And, in the event he lapses, we have Cheney as a failsafe backup.
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BigTex
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 11:49 am Post subject: Re: I'm honestly freaked out |
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| mos6507 wrote: | | BigTex wrote: | I've noticed that one of the easiest ways to freak yourself out is to actually find someone who will listen to you talk about peak oil and related matters as much as you want. When your done telling them the whole story they're looking at you like "WHAT?", and you're actually looking at yourself the same way because you have been listening to yourself talk and you realize how awful it all sounds.
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Have you actually found anyone who, at the end of telling them all this, actually accepts it right off and doesn't immediately go into protective denial? If so you must have one hell of a presentation. |
There is a fellow I work with who has a vague understanding of a lot of doomer topics. When I lay out some of the peak oil elements, and then begin to just bang away on them like a jackhammer his head begins moving up and down rapidly and he has trouble speaking. But he doesn't disagree. I always tell him to please try to formulate a good argument, any argument, for why what I am saying is not only true, but inevitable.
The best we have done when playing both sides of the issue is that the U.S. has enough land to feed the U.S. population for a long time, and enough coal to provide the U.S. with at least some form of fuel and a commodity to trade with other countries for other essentials for a long time as well.
I know that's hardly a rosy scenario, but that's the best case I see, which is just to say that the U.S. will be better off than a lot of places that don't have enough land to feed its own population and no natural resources at all.
The U.S. being separated from the rest of the world by two oceans will also be helpful. I think the Canadians will cooperate with us, and the fence being built on the Mexican border will eventually function as a barrier to keep out the latino zombie hordes.
Ought to be fun.
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 11:59 am Post subject: Re: I'm honestly freaked out |
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| Cashmere wrote: | mmasters - I don't agree that it's as fine as you suggest.
Too many people, failing economies worldwide, lots of "liquidity" squishing around = price of basic goods - read food and commodities - go up. |
You don't think that central banks, coordinating their efforts, isn't a strong red flag that, if not "conspiracy" in the pure sense, there is an organized drive to perpetuate the safety and persistence of the elite? What if this coordinated drive conficts with the best interests of the governed? And what if some of the agreements aren't transparent (secret, in other words)? |
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zoidberg
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 12:26 pm Post subject: Re: I'm honestly freaked out |
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| Ferretlover wrote: | | zoidberg wrote: | | But last night I freaked out a couple of close friends about it when I recognized they'll ignore the warning signs until the end, and absolutely refuse to think about the implications of vast increases in food and energy. Then I recognized the same things in myself, as of late, blaming speculators, making fun of 80 kg limits on rices purchases etc. |
Quite a surprise when you discover something new about yourself, itsn't it?
That adrenolin rush when you jump from one plane of existence to another is a biggie. |
Well I read a lot of dieoff.org and do read thru latoc regularly so its not a huge jump. It was disconcerting to recognize such a basic defence mechanism asserting itself even though I consider myself relatively enlightened about such issues. Only human I suppose. Wasnt nearly as disconcerting the first time I read latoc though! Its what brought me here.
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By the way Mr. Savinar thank you for scaring the crap out of me.I appreciate it and still kinda resent you for it. I cant help it. Shoot the messenger, damn this human weakness. |
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Ferretlover
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 12:54 pm Post subject: Re: I'm honestly freaked out |
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| zoidberg wrote: | | Ferretlover wrote: | | zoidberg wrote: | | But last night I freaked out a couple of close friends about it when I recognized they'll ignore the warning signs until the end, and absolutely refuse to think about the implications of vast increases in food and energy. Then I recognized the same things in myself, as of late, blaming speculators, making fun of 80 kg limits on rices purchases etc. |
Quite a surprise when you discover something new about yourself, isn't it?
That adrenolin rush when you jump from one plane of existence to another is a biggie. |
Well I read a lot of dieoff.org and do read thru latoc regularly so its not a huge jump. It was disconcerting to recognize such a basic defence mechanism asserting itself even though I consider myself relatively enlightened about such issues. Only human I suppose. Wasnt nearly as disconcerting the first time I read latoc though! Its what brought me here.
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By the way Mr. Savinar thank you for scaring the crap out of me.I appreciate it and still kinda resent you for it. I cant help it. Shoot the messenger, damn this human weakness. |
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 1:48 pm Post subject: Re: I'm honestly freaked out |
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Ferretlover--Could you bake us all some cookies and make us hot coco? Thanks Mom!  |
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btu2012
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 2:07 pm Post subject: Re: I'm honestly freaked out |
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| BigTex wrote: | | Ought to be fun. |
Yeah, we are all guaranteed to have much more "fun" than we ever hoped for.
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DryObserver
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 2:15 pm Post subject: Re: I'm honestly freaked out |
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| mos6507 wrote: | | BigTex wrote: | I've noticed that one of the easiest ways to freak yourself out is to actually find someone who will listen to you talk about peak oil and related matters as much as you want. When your done telling them the whole story they're looking at you like "WHAT?", and you're actually looking at yourself the same way because you have been listening to yourself talk and you realize how awful it all sounds.
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Have you actually found anyone who, at the end of telling them all this, actually accepts it right off and doesn't immediately go into protective denial? If so you must have one hell of a presentation. |
Actually, I've had quite a few friends accept right off. In part, that's because I have a bunch of really great friends. On the other hand, I can honestly tell them that -- despite all the things our greater community still needs to do -- we pretty much live in a fairy tale given how prepared our area is already. Especially relative to the rest of America. |
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btu2012
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 3:09 pm Post subject: Re: I'm honestly freaked out |
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| mmasters wrote: | | Yeah it is surprising, all that's happened recently has confirmed what I talk about all the time about how the insiders have control of the playing field. Though I've come to realize they have a higher degree of control than I had originally thought. |
Do you work on the Street ?
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BigTex
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 3:52 pm Post subject: Re: I'm honestly freaked out |
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| btu2012 wrote: | | mmasters wrote: | | Yeah it is surprising, all that's happened recently has confirmed what I talk about all the time about how the insiders have control of the playing field. Though I've come to realize they have a higher degree of control than I had originally thought. |
Do you work on the Street ?
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I think he got a job and is working inside now. 
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btu2012
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 4:11 pm Post subject: Re: I'm honestly freaked out |
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| BigTex wrote: | | I think he got a job and is working inside now. |
You mean inside a Wall Street company ?
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BigTex
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 4:48 pm Post subject: Re: I'm honestly freaked out |
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| btu2012 wrote: | | BigTex wrote: | | I think he got a job and is working inside now. |
You mean inside a Wall Street company ?
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I will let him answer that.
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 5:14 pm Post subject: Re: I'm honestly freaked out |
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| threadbear wrote: | | Ferretlover--Could you bake us all some cookies and make us hot coco? Thanks Mom! |
Why, of course, dear. Would you like my homemade chocolate chip, or those cute little thumbprint sugar cookies with the raspberry jam in the middle? I have plenty of cocoa (having bought several of those 50 pack boxes at Sam's!).
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