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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 5:15 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
AlwaysThere wrote:
I would have to say the Political Activism is my biggest pet peeve (I am not saying that is the most important, just one of mine pet peeves). The most frustrating thing about this is Politicians in this country have always done this in a blatant attempt to "Improve the word" for thier own interest of course. I cannot for the life of me see how killing people makes the world a better place. I can see going after a guy like Hitler, but the long list of wars that had basically no purpose at all are too much for me to handle. Along with this activism comes the national pride that we are a "Christian Nation" (who is responsible for distributing more Pornography than any other nation on the planet) and yet the "Church" claims this "Christian Nation" garbage. I was listening to Jim Dobson whipping up the fervor saying we need to go blow up some more Muslims because prophesy demands that we kill Muslims to save the Nation State of Israel. Any fool should be able to see we are using Israel as a staging point for our interests, it started with the Brits - The Brits :a: didn't want the Jews and
b: put them their to maintain access to Iranian oil.
It seems that we agree entirely on the points above. Except I would say that also some American Jews seem to be a bit confused about their allegiances
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The 2nd criticism (which is probably more important) is the straying from Orthodoxy and the rebellious nature of the Emerging Crowd, in which a lot of this consumerist worldliness I think you might be observing.
We seem to have a similar perception on this as well.
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I would agree with you on the Catholic issue and that would be the Reformation differences.
OK, it's clearer now. Thus I would assume that:
1. You subscribe to the five solas (sola scriptura, sola fide, sola gratia, solus Christus, soli Deo gloria)
2. You hold the Nicene Creed, Apostles' Creed, and Athanasian Creed
Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 5:21 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
Ludi wrote:
AlwaysThere wrote:
You say you do not accept Christ ? The Bible says you are condemmed for unbelief
I say I don't believe in Christ, not that I don't "accept" him. I'm fine with the idea of Jesus as my Saviour.
If belief is a gift from God, why am I condemned for unbelief?
Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Belief means to accept him in his entirety - as revealed in his word. That is what I (and true Orthodox Christians) believe.
Ludi, If I can give you some advice: You appear to know teh Scriptures very well. I would ask you - Have you met the Author ? (To anticipate your next question I do not mean the writers I mean the Holy Spirit). Maybe if you asked God to answer these questions for you perhaps he would.
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 5:31 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
BigTex wrote:
AT, besides evangelicals, who do you think you will see in Heaven?
- Jews?
- Muslims?
- Catholics?
- Lutherans?
- Buddhists?
- Hindus?
- Tribesmen who followed local customs and never knew any different?
- Native Americans?
- Third trimester aborted fetuses?
- Second trimester aborted fetuses?
- First trimester aborted fetuses?
- Miscarried fetuses?
If you don't see them in Heaven, does that mean they will be in Hell?
Why stop the list there? Why not include the rest of the biological species all of whom have common DNA, some to such a great extent that many feel uncomfortable about the implications. God is supposed to see even a sparrow fall from the sky.
Chimpanzees
Great Apes
Whales
Dolphins
Sheep
Goats etc etc
Since God is supposed to have created all living things, why would we not see these other creatures in heaven? Several millions in fact.
The only thing that seems to distinguish humankind from the rest is the evolution of a thinking brain over the primal instinctive brain, though one can be forgiven for thinking that is still a work in progress.
Humanity seems to have arrived at the point where it is capable of asking questions about such issues, but is not prepared to accept the inevitably logical responses. But at the same time, it seems to demand an answer, since the phrase “I don’t know” is apparently unacceptable. Therefore we indulge in fantasy fabrication by way of satisfying the need for a solution. Hence we’re at where we’re at. The fantasies become more and more convoluted as ever expanding knowledge and logic expose inconsistencies in the fables.
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 5:37 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
Oh, and another thought. Since the afterlife is eternal, we would also expect to encounter species that are now extinct, such as dinosaurs, neanderthals, sasquatch? nah!
Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 5:41 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
lper100km wrote:
Humanity seems to have arrived at the point where it is capable of asking questions about such issues, but is not prepared to accept the inevitably logical responses. But at the same time, it seems to demand an answer, since the phrase “I don’t know” is apparently unacceptable. Therefore we indulge in fantasy fabrication by way of satisfying the need for a solution. Hence we’re at where we’re at. The fantasies become more and more convoluted as ever expanding knowledge and logic expose inconsistencies in the fables.
This is a valid response from a person of your existence - You are seeing things from a physical perspective only. However I would like to state for the record Evolution is not a valid scientific theory. even 20 billion years at the rate of a Random Occurrence a second could not be responsible for the amount of DNA molecules in existence today, there is not enough time. And this is ignoring the fact that evolving a "reproductive system" in the time needed to do so is impossible....
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 5:41 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
AlwaysThere wrote:
Have you met the Author ? (To anticipate your next question I do not mean the writers I mean the Holy Spirit). Maybe if you asked God to answer these questions for you perhaps he would.
No, I have not met the Holy Spirit, to my knowledge. How would I know if this had occurred?
What questions do you mean for me to ask of God? Why I am condemned for my unbelief?
It seems strange to me to ask a being in whom I do not believe to answer questions. It seems, hard to put this in the proper words - delusional in some way. _________________ No original ideas are contained in this post.
Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 5:48 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
Ludi wrote:
AlwaysThere wrote:
Have you met the Author ? (To anticipate your next question I do not mean the writers I mean the Holy Spirit). Maybe if you asked God to answer these questions for you perhaps he would.
No, I have not met the Holy Spirit, to my knowledge. How would I know if this had occurred?
What questions do you mean for me to ask of God? Why I am condemned for my unbelief?
It seems strange to me to ask a being in whom I do not believe to answer questions. It seems, hard to put this in the proper words - delusional in some way.
As I have stated before Ludi - The Bible is a spiritual book, without a spiritual understanding it is not going to make a whole lot of sense. It sounds to me as if you have spent some time in the Mystery religions, and have a tough time relating to God who loves and seeks after those who are lost.
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 5:49 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
AlwaysThere wrote:
Why do you ask ?
Just curious, as you are making a bold pronouncement about a theory found to be quite robust by many (possibly most) scientists. Curious about your scientific background. _________________ No original ideas are contained in this post.
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 5:52 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
AlwaysThere wrote:
It sounds to me as if you have spent some time in the Mystery religions, and have a tough time relating to God who loves and seeks after those who are lost.
I'm not sure what you mean by "Mystery religions," can you clarify? The only religion I have spent significant time in is Christianity.
I have a tough time believing in YHWH as revealed in the Bible. _________________ No original ideas are contained in this post.
Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 5:57 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
Ludi wrote:
AlwaysThere wrote:
Why do you ask ?
Just curious, as you are making a bold pronouncement about a theory found to be quite robust by many (possibly most) scientists. Curious about your scientific background.
I will sum it all up - I have told you this before.
The sun for example is not in a "steady state" it is burning out. If you extrapolate back 20 billion years you will find the Sun would have boiled off the oceans because it would have been too hot. Evolutionist need 20 billion yrs because that is their solution to solve the complexity in the universe. The chances of evolving a DNA molecule are something like 1 in 1000000000000000000000 power (I am guessing but it is a lot of zeros...(something like 1 in 10 to the 16th power). There are how many DNA molecules in the universe ? You do not have enough time, and if you begin tinkering with the earth's orbit etc to try to solve this problem you create a whole host of others...By definiition the chances of evolution occurring are out of it being realistic scenario by scientific standards. There are thousands of these types of Chicken and Egg scenarios that are present in the Universe today.
I do not have time to play 50 questions, but you are good on the internet go look it up, if you read the data and still come to the conslusion that evolution is a realistic scenario then good for you.
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 6:03 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
AlwaysThere wrote:
I will sum it all up - I have told you this before.
Sorry if I missed it.
Not sure where you're getting 20 billion years.
"The age of 4.54 billion years found for the Solar System and Earth is consistent with current calculations of 11 to 13 billion years for the age of the Milky Way Galaxy (based on the stage of evolution of globular cluster stars) and the age of 10 to 15 billion years for the age of the Universe (based on the recession of distant galaxies)."
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Except I would say that also some American Jews seem to be a bit confused about their allegiances 
