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Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 10:49 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
lper100km wrote:
But you know, with the rapid advance in the ability to share thoughts and ideas with just about anyone these days, there are bound to be original points of view that develop and are shared. Not so long ago, the only way to get ideas rolling was by publishing a book. That was a one way trip. The ability to enter into a discourse with an author is prohibitive. I know, because I have tried to do just that, through the publishers of course. Result – nothing. A person who sets him/her self up as an ‘authority’ can expect to be challenged from directions that have never been a part of their previous experience. That must be stressful if one is locked into a particular mindset. It can be exhilarating if one is open to fresh insights.
I agree. It feels a little like some kind of mental communion at times. Very pleasant to a flexible mind. _________________
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Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 7:44 am Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
Gandalf_the_White wrote:
It is exactly their personal life that either confirms their salvation or their lack thereof.
I thought I wasn't saved anyway by reason of unbelief. Or are you talking about my personal life when I was a Christian? I posted about it, but deleted it because I thought it would make people uncomfortable to see me post such personal matters. _________________ "...powerdown so soft and fluffy you'll think you're living in a pillow..." - jboogy
Joined: May 18, 2006 Posts: 3968 Location: Minneapolis, MN
Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 7:56 am Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
Ludi wrote:
Gandalf_the_White wrote:
It is exactly their personal life that either confirms their salvation or their lack thereof.
I thought I wasn't saved anyway by reason of unbelief. Or are you talking about my personal life when I was a Christian? I posted about it, but deleted it because I thought it would make people uncomfortable to see me post such personal matters.
Joined: Dec 27, 2004 Posts: 12036 Location: zombie horde wonderland
Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 8:22 am Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
Gandalf_the_White wrote:
But since no man can come to Jesus unless he draws them, debates about one of a million false views of the Scripture is pointless.
Then just put me back on "ignore" and it won't be a problem. The message either stands on its own or it doesn't. There's nothing I can say that will have any effect on the truth of what you post, so there's no threat from me posting in this thread.
If people are bored by the pointless things I say, they won't engage me and eventually I'll probably get tired of it also and stop posting. However, some people seem interested in discussing some of these things. This seems to be a very popular thread. Now that might be because of your little mini-lectures, or it might be because people enjoy discussing these topics. _________________ "...powerdown so soft and fluffy you'll think you're living in a pillow..." - jboogy
Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 6:27 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
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Anyway, greenworm, why do you feel like it is your responsibility to be outraged at what is happening to these strangers whom you've never met and honestly probably don't give an oink about?
If the sheeple enjoy field trips, so what? What difference does it make to you? How is it a good use of your energy to be annoyed at what someone else chooses to do with their time and money?
The notion of God sickening you is fine with me. You can feel any way about God you want. What I don't understand is the basis for your belief that others ought to share your view, simply because it is your view.
How do you know anyone but you would be better off believing as you do? How do you know that those sheeple going to see the Pope aren't experiencing their highest expression of spirituality? On what basis are your beliefs superior to theirs? Because you believe them to be true?
I love everyone and I want them to be okay. My beliefs aren't better or superior, I am merely attempting to influence one's decision and to know there are consequences. If I change one persons mind to accept the consequences of their actions, then I have accomplished my goal. If one person's supposedly spirituality results in another person living on the street, then I don't think it is ok. Seems selfish. The spirituality is based on false pretenses and the person living on the street is very real. If you want comfort in life, I suggest you find somebody to love or something you love, it is a much more rewarding spirituality then believing in something you can't prove.
Joined: Dec 07, 2005 Posts: 1741 Location: Australia
Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 7:05 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
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I am merely attempting to influence one's decision and to know there are consequences.
So are these fine Christians. And they have informed us we are all going to hell. _________________ Lets take a ride, and run with the dogs tonight
In suburbia
You cant hide, run with the dogs tonight
In suburbia
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Joined: Apr 08, 2006 Posts: 1239 Location: Somewhere there
Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 7:10 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
Gandalf, congratulations with a very successfull thread. Here is my question : Do you think its apropriate for a Christian to use a wizard/sorcerer as their nickname and avatar?
Joined: Dec 07, 2005 Posts: 1741 Location: Australia
Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 8:16 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
Have you completly turned into a troll vision-master?
You last posts haven't made sense or been related to the topics. _________________ Lets take a ride, and run with the dogs tonight
In suburbia
You cant hide, run with the dogs tonight
In suburbia
- Pet Shop Boys
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Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 8:21 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
Pretorian wrote:
Gandalf, congratulations with a very successfull thread. Here is my question : Do you think its apropriate for a Christian to use a wizard/sorcerer as their nickname and avatar?
Good question. If I were asking the guys at my church I am sure I would hear mixed answers. On the one hand I am using it in refeence to the Christian symbolism of LOTR. Even my quote is meant to hint at that. Gandalf is a sort of Christ figure. Now I picked it not because I have a God complex, but because I think Gandalf also sort of represents a pastor who sticks it out though he may go down in a battle or two. Life is a long song. Being somewhat mature in the Lord I understand that all things are lawful for me, but not all things edify. So, the other argument would be that I might be making it hard for some of my weaker brethren who cannot watch LOTR without falling into some sin or another.
I have thought about changing it if I could, but I think it is easier just to explain the nuance. Tolkien was a pub-mate and fellow Oxford Scholar with C.S. Lewis. Some of Lewis' writings are also criticized for being too vague. I disagree.
The older I get though the more I consider the value of my time. So I do not watch much TV anymore, I do not listen to the radio very much. I'm not saying those things are bad, especially since you get content clarified radio choices (the TV is getting really bad in my opinion.) I'm just saying that I long for a life more filled with Christ and the only way I get that is by seeking Him. Considering what peace I have found so far (despite not being perfected yet) I would much prefer to spend every day on small sefl-sufficient farm with no modern conveniences at all. It would slow life down enough that I for one would probably appreciate it much more.
So back to the avatar, sorcery, witchcraft, you cannot be Christian and engage in them so yes I do consider it a fair criticism and I may try to change it later. I'm not sure why so few boards allow that because you should be able to run a script that changes all posts to the new profile based upon the IP address, should'nt you? _________________ I return to you now at the turning of the tide.
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