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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 11:14 am    Post subject: Grow Potatoes in a Garbage Bag... Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

To use the Garbage Bag method of growing potatoes, all you need is a sturdy garbage bag, like Glad Force Flex, some compost, shredded leaves and seed potatoes. You can purchase certified seed potatoes from a nursery or use sprouted potatoes from your pantry. Seed potatoes are your best bet as they are certified disease free and come in many varieties and colors, from yellow to pink to purple and blue. Cut larger potatoes into pieces that have two or three eyes each. Let potato pieces sit out to dry overnight.


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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 11:27 am    Post subject: Re: Grow Potatoes in a Garbage Bag... Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Sounds like a great idea.

Any concerns about toxins?

While the polyethylene of the bag is inert, are there any plasticizers or other additives that can leach out?

It's particularly important for a tuber, which could absorb any toxins directly.
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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 12:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Grow Potatoes in a Garbage Bag... Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Cashmere wrote:
Sounds like a great idea.

Any concerns about toxins?

While the polyethylene of the bag is inert, are there any plasticizers or other additives that can leach out?

It's particularly important for a tuber, which could absorb any toxins directly.
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WOW! Never thought of that! I have heard of trash cans, of stacking tires, but never a trash bag, interesting. Toxins, not sure, never heard about toxins from tires and plastic trash cans, both petroleum based, but have wondered myself on the tires especially.
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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 12:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Grow Potatoes in a Garbage Bag... Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I'd skip the compost, it will make the potatoes more prone to scabbing, also you will have more leaf growth than root growth. Otherwise, if you live in the city, this is not a bad idea.

I think potatoes are the best way to start a new garden, they don't require much in nutrients and it is a good way to get the rocks out.
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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 12:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Grow Potatoes in a Garbage Bag... Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Found this on the web:

Stack of Potatoes
Find a well-drained container that's at least 30 inches deep; a barrel, trash can, or stack of tires will do. Put in about a foot of moist soil, compost, or soil mix and lay potato seed pieces, cut sides down, on top. As the potatoes sprout and grow, students should mulch the shoots with more soil mix, sawdust, or straw. Have your keen observers try to figure out where the potatoes will form. (They form above the original "seed piece.") It's important to keep the tubers covered, because if they are exposed to the sun, they may turn green, which indicates the presence of toxic solanine. When the foliage turns brown, dig in or turn the barrel on its side and pour out the contents.

An alternate method is to fill one tire with growing media, plant the potato pieces and cover them with a few inches of soil or straw. As soon as the green sprouts are six inches above the tire rim, add another tire and fill it half full of soil mix or straw. Continue adding tires and covering potatoes in this manner through the growing season.


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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 12:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Grow Potatoes in a Garbage Bag... Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I have potatoes growing in one of my worm bins, but I don't know if they will put on any tubers....
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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 4:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Grow Potatoes in a Garbage Bag... Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

greenworm wrote:
I'd skip the compost, it will make the potatoes more prone to scabbing, also you will have more leaf growth than root growth. Otherwise, if you live in the city, this is not a bad idea.

I think potatoes are the best way to start a new garden, they don't require much in nutrients and it is a good way to get the rocks out.


greenworm, I have to disagree with you (in the nicest way possible).

Scab thrives under alkaline conditions and (to a lesser extent) light sandy soils (because they tend to dry out fast). You shouldn't therefore use lime for your potato patch, tub tyre or bin bag and you should keep them moist. Potatoes grow best under slightly acid conditions.

Potatoes are also quite greedy feeders (most calories per acre - nothing is for free!) and will benefit from a good feed. Compost is fine for them to grow in.

I grow earlies and second earlies in containers using homemade compost with a high proportion of (composted) coffee grounds. This gives a PH of 6.0 - 6.5 and suits potatoes well.
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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 5:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Grow Potatoes in a Garbage Bag... Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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Compost is fine for them to grow in.


Not if it has manure in it.

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Applying manure to potato fields can cause an increase in scab infection.


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I get better yields when I grow them in a patch that hasn't been fed anything except leaves and pine needles.

Everytime I grow them in good soil, all I get is something no bigger than the size of my hand. The plant looks great, but the potatoes are smaller. The reason is the top half of your plant is building itself up, however you want to focus the growth on the tuber. I mean they originated in the mountain sides of peru, not alot of nutrients up there.

You can grow them in compost without manure, but why bother.

But to each their own, I say. Very Happy

Oh I forgot to give away the secret--------------------comfrey!!!

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Comfrey for potatoes - freshly cut comfrey should be wilted for a day or two, then laid along potato trenches about 2 inches deep. Avoid using flowering stems as these can root. The leaves will rapidly break down and supply potassium rich fertiliser for the developing potato plants.


I'm telling you if you have space to grow this plant, ya really need to. I took this picture today.

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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 4:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Grow Potatoes in a Garbage Bag... Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Manure? Agreed, best avoided unless very well rotted.

What you say makes sense, pine needles will create an acidic medium so you're giving the spuds the environment they need to thrive.

Comfrey is an often used organic fertiliser round these parts too.
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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 4:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Grow Potatoes in a Garbage Bag... Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

greenworm wrote:

Everytime I grow them in good soil, all I get is something no bigger than the size of my hand. The plant looks great, but the potatoes are smaller. The reason is the top half of your plant is building itself up, however you want to focus the growth on the tuber. I mean they originated in the mountain sides of peru, not alot of nutrients up there.

You can grow them in compost without manure, but why bother.



+1 Here in Idaho our soil is not that great...... There is a reason they grow so big and abundantly here.
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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 12:06 am    Post subject: Re: Grow Potatoes in a Garbage Bag... Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I tried that and it would have worked well, except that I had to move the bags out of the fenced garden area in order to mow grass (I know, it should be chips or gravel), and the deer ate them.
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PostPosted: Thu May 29, 2008 11:27 am    Post subject: Re: Grow Potatoes in a Garbage Bag... Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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Compost is fine for them to grow in.


Not if it has manure in it.


i was about to start a potato plant for De Patio & thought i would check this thread.

compost has a lot of different meanings. to some people it's a pile of leaves. to some people it's a composition of carbon and nitrogen rich input ingredients that has been worked for 3 months with 3 turnings, for a total of 4 pathogen reduction cycles. heating up to 150+ Fahrenheit, etc.

i agree you need to be mindful of the manure. the stuff i'm using had duck poop in it.

i was wondering, why the plastic bag ? and then i'm thinking, because it's a cheap container.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 4:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Grow Potatoes in a Garbage Bag... Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

That is a wonderful idea....The Backwoods Home magazine recently had an article about growing potatoes in tires. I am concerned about the stability of the bags. It looks like they might fall over easily or in a bad storm. You should probably support them with something.

These things are great ideas for gardening for people that are dealing with terrible soil types like mine. My house's front yard was leveled with fill dirt. Nothing would grow for the first year and then we finally got clover to grow.
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