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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 7:11 pm    Post subject: FREAK WINTER STORM SLAYS MY GARDEN!!!!!!!!!!! Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Ok - I am usually a level headed...cool collected...rationale...deliberate individual, but this pushed me over the lunatic fringe!!!!

A freak winter storm rolled into town...hail, snow, gail force winds...I expect a complete loss from our very young garden.

I purposefully waited till mid-may to be sure mother nature was tamed.

Hell no!!!

Let me tell you something folks...unless you have 5 years of food stored somewhere...you are as good as dead.

Holy hell I am pissed.

(ya'll noticed I did not use one bad word on this little rant...kids read PO ya know!!)
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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 7:14 pm    Post subject: Re: FREAK WINTER STORM SLAYS MY GARDEN!!!!!!!!!!! Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Actually, you said hell....

But aside from those little things, that sucks man. We've been having a bit of a fit with the weather too.

How cold did it get? Would covering or watering the garden have saved it?

This is why I strongly encourage staggering crops. Our first seeds were planted roughly a month and a half ago. I have some that we started 1-2 weeks ago and will go in the garden shortly. Been planting things about every 2 weeks for nearly the past 2 months. Theres a reason for that.... I may lose my leading and trailing crops, but damn some of is gonna make it!!

The brute force approach isnt always bad ya know. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 7:17 pm    Post subject: Re: FREAK WINTER STORM SLAYS MY GARDEN!!!!!!!!!!! Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Specop_007 wrote:
Actually, you said hell....
But aside from those little things, that sucks man. We've been having a bit of a fit with the weather too.
How cold did it get? Would covering or watering the garden have saved it?

Yeah - HE double hockey sticks...is that really a bad word...like dam?

We are in triage...code red all the way. Covering what's left.

Will have damage reports throughout your regularly scheduled programming.

Phones got blown out early in the day...so we are on recovery behind the curve.
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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 7:24 pm    Post subject: Re: FREAK WINTER STORM SLAYS MY GARDEN!!!!!!!!!!! Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I'm sorry to hear of your produce loss to weather. I can relate. (My peaches took a beating a few weeks ago.) Perhaps it's not too late in the season to start a few other things.
Good luck.
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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 7:34 pm    Post subject: Re: FREAK WINTER STORM SLAYS MY GARDEN!!!!!!!!!!! Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

We were canning beans the first of June last year and can't get one plant over 10" this year.

We are having some tough times in the garden too, after tough times in the greenhouse.


The reason I bumped up the Survival Garden thread...

Hang in there, Man.
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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 7:36 pm    Post subject: Re: FREAK WINTER STORM SLAYS MY GARDEN!!!!!!!!!!! Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Farmers are gamblers. Those farming for subsistence play for the highest stakes possible.

Sometime, if you get the chance, talk with someone who came from a subsistence farming background. I believe you will discover it was lots of work, meager rations, boring meals (think black eyed peas for months with no respite), small game (squirrels) - and not much else.

Those who preach sustainable agriculture offer a view that diverges from what I hear. I have a nasty suspicion that the proponents of modern sustainable agriculture are indulging in irrational exuberance.

You've experienced a weather surprise. What happens if you get a hail storm just prior to harvest? Add in bugs. Wild animals. Birds. Human thieves.

Post-peak is going to be a hungry time.

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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 7:44 pm    Post subject: Re: FREAK WINTER STORM SLAYS MY GARDEN!!!!!!!!!!! Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Jack wrote:
You've experienced a weather surprise. What happens if you get a hail storm just prior to harvest? Add in bugs. Wild animals. Birds. Human thieves.


We eat the stuff we grew and stored last year and the year before?
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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 7:45 pm    Post subject: Re: FREAK WINTER STORM SLAYS MY GARDEN!!!!!!!!!!! Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Jack wrote:
Farmers are gamblers. Those farming for subsistence play for the highest stakes possible.

Sometime, if you get the chance, talk with someone who came from a subsistence farming background. I believe you will discover it was lots of work, meager rations, boring meals (think black eyed peas for months with no respite), small game (squirrels) - and not much else.

Those who preach sustainable agriculture offer a view that diverges from what I hear. I have a nasty suspicion that the proponents of modern sustainable agriculture are indulging in irrational exuberance.

You've experienced a weather surprise. What happens if you get a hail storm just prior to harvest? Add in bugs. Wild animals. Birds. Human thieves.

Post-peak is going to be a hungry time.

Cool


Yep - that's about what I figured.
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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 7:47 pm    Post subject: Re: FREAK WINTER STORM SLAYS MY GARDEN!!!!!!!!!!! Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

PeakOiler wrote:
I'm sorry to hear of your produce loss to weather. I can relate. (My peaches took a beating a few weeks ago.) Perhaps it's not too late in the season to start a few other things.
Good luck.


Yeah - there is always squash.

Thanks bro...
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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 8:00 pm    Post subject: Re: FREAK WINTER STORM SLAYS MY GARDEN!!!!!!!!!!! Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

roccman wrote:
PeakOiler wrote:
I'm sorry to hear of your produce loss to weather. I can relate. (My peaches took a beating a few weeks ago.) Perhaps it's not too late in the season to start a few other things.
Good luck.


Yeah - there is always squash.

Thanks bro...


I just planted zucchini and more potatoes. Hang in there. There is always hope. I'm drinking mead right now (homemade) so it aint so bad. I'll be transplanting a new bed of Day Lilies (food source all year round if you can dig the ground). Just remember, it aint over till the fat lady sings. Keep plugging away and dont worry about tomorrow just live for today and do what you do best. Remember, the results are all cumulative, you learn from what you grow (or dont grow) and next year will be even better. We have not experienced hard crash, so you still have time yet...
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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 8:01 pm    Post subject: Re: FREAK WINTER STORM SLAYS MY GARDEN!!!!!!!!!!! Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Pops wrote:

We eat the stuff we grew and stored last year and the year before?


Sure. Home canning...on a wood stove...in summer...and you gotta do it, lest the crop fail....

Please forgive me, but that does not sound like fun.

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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 8:01 pm    Post subject: Re: FREAK WINTER STORM SLAYS MY GARDEN!!!!!!!!!!! Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

That stinks. I have been there before when I lived in Oklahoma and freak storm came in.

SoCal is a different story. I picked my first ripe tomato yesterday and have already picked numerous peppers (jalapeno and NM big jim chile). I guess that is the 1 good thing about living here.

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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 8:01 pm    Post subject: Re: FREAK WINTER STORM SLAYS MY GARDEN!!!!!!!!!!! Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

roccman wrote:

Yeah - there is always squash.

Thanks bro...


Beans and peas are about 45 days between planting and harvest, right?
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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 8:08 pm    Post subject: Re: FREAK WINTER STORM SLAYS MY GARDEN!!!!!!!!!!! Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Jack wrote:
Farmers are gamblers. Those farming for subsistence play for the highest stakes possible.

Sometime, if you get the chance, talk with someone who came from a subsistence farming background. I believe you will discover it was lots of work, meager rations, boring meals (think black eyed peas for months with no respite), small game (squirrels) - and not much else.

Those who preach sustainable agriculture offer a view that diverges from what I hear. I have a nasty suspicion that the proponents of modern sustainable agriculture are indulging in irrational exuberance.

You've experienced a weather surprise. What happens if you get a hail storm just prior to harvest? Add in bugs. Wild animals. Birds. Human thieves.

Post-peak is going to be a hungry time.

Cool


Jack is absolutely right. Every word.

Too many naive people are thinking they can "plant a garden" and thereby escape $300 grocery bills or, worse, the empty shelves the future will bring.

If you're lucky and smart and strong and have lots of help you can grow some of your food some of the time. Not all your food all the time. Not nearly. That's the way it used to be, and that's the way it will be again. The massive, fossil-fuel-fueled surpluses we've enjoyed for decades are going away FOREVER. They are already almost gone.
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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 8:09 pm    Post subject: Re: FREAK WINTER STORM SLAYS MY GARDEN!!!!!!!!!!! Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Roccman wrote:

"(ya'll noticed I did not use one bad word on this little rant...kids read PO ya know!!)"

No, but you misspelled rational.

I think your garden might pull through. We've had the same weather here & things are perking back up. In fact, 2 days after I planted, it got down to 22, then 21. That was 2 weeks ago--everything is coming up anyway. Although the latest forecast is for possible snow tonight. Btw, it was 95 here Monday...
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