Mlombo, a 23-year-old Zimbabwean who arrived in South Africa five months ago, has spent a week sleeping on a concrete floor with hundreds of other refugees outside Alexandra police station in northern Johannesburg. He's just one victim of anti- immigrant violence in South Africa that has left at least 42 dead in a week
FYI South Africa is the wealthiest nation in Africa. It has a GDP per capita of $10,000 so it would be more correct to call this a 2nd world and NOT a 3rd world nation.
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Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 2:55 pm Post subject: Re: The Spreading Food Crisis Thread (U.S. & World)
cube wrote:
What makes Africa so significant is not it's population but it's poor condition.
AND the fact that financial and medical aid has been pouring into Africa for decades, all to No avail. _________________ "RRrrruuuunnnn!!!" ~Apocalypto
Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 3:06 pm Post subject: Re: The Spreading Food Crisis Thread (U.S. & World)
Ferretlover wrote:
cube wrote:
What makes Africa so significant is not it's population but it's poor condition.
AND the fact that financial and medical aid has been pouring into Africa for decades, all to No avail.
NO KIDDING!
I feel bad for their position, but you either make the best with what you have or you stop having more babies than a mormon family.
We have been dumping money, food and aid into that country forever, not much has come from it..... Its like the people here that live on welfare I guess.... _________________ Tired of high gas prices? Then stop driving to work, duh..... Learn to Work from home
Wheat Falls as Rains Improve Crop Prospects in U.S., Canada
By Tony C. Dreibus
May 22 (Bloomberg) -- Wheat futures fell for a third straight day as rain improved prospects for the winter crop in Canada and the southern U.S. Great Plains.
The rain that's falling over an area from Canada into Texas will continue for the next three days, Allen Motew, the director of meteorology at QT Information Systems Inc. in Chicago, said today in a report. Wheat is down 44 percent from a record in February on improved prospects for the U.S. crop, which the government says will be the largest in 10 years.
"The breadth, intensity, and importance of the precipitation will make this a billion-dollar rainfall event'' for the winter- and spring-wheat crops in the U.S. and Canada, Motew said.
[...]
World wheat production may rise 8.7 percent to 658 million metric tons in 2008, the Rome-based United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization said today in a report. Stockpiles are expected to jump 16 percent to 167.6 million tons by the end of 2009.
Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 9:27 pm Post subject: Re: The Spreading Food Crisis Thread (U.S. & World)
hmmmm. How do we compare the piddling amounts of aid we occasionally send to African countries with the trillions in wealth and the millions of human lives that US and Europe have robbed from the continent. If there were any kind of fair international court, Africa could sue the West for an amount that would more than bancrupt the entire first world. Most of Europe and then Americas wealth came from piracy in one form or another, just going into other peoples lands and claiming everything of value as our own
Take two or three seconds to read some history before blathering your hateful, bigoted tripe, if you please.
Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 10:02 pm Post subject: Re: The Spreading Food Crisis Thread (U.S. & World)
Ferretlover wrote:
AND the fact that financial and medical aid has been pouring into Africa for decades, all to No avail.
The hilarious thing is...all that aid has made the problem infinitely worse.
Think about it. The West sends in food and medical aid. This cuts infant mortality. The infants grow...and reproduce...creating more overshoot...which generates pleas for aid...and on and on it goes.
And the financial aid makes it worse too. I saw a piece (I couldn't find the link to save my life) that discussed tailors. It seems they had a sewing machine and made simple, inexpensive clothes - but it was a viable, respected business.
So...used clothing gets sent over and distributed for free. Well, if the populace can get free clothing, there is no need for a tailor - who proceeds to go out of business. By attempting to help, the area is rendered more dependent.
(Please insert sound of Satanic laughter here).
Now Africa is in severe overshoot and the West will be forced to end aid. It's going to be a die-off event that approaches the indescribable. But we won't see or hear any of it, because the news crews won't be able to get there.
They will die in mass, and in silence. No one will know or care.
Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 10:15 pm Post subject: Re: The Spreading Food Crisis Thread (U.S. & World)
dohboi wrote:
hmmmm. How do we compare the piddling amounts of aid we occasionally send to African countries with the trillions in wealth and the millions of human lives that US and Europe have robbed from the continent. If there were any kind of fair international court, Africa could sue the West for an amount that would more than bancrupt the entire first world. Most of Europe and then Americas wealth came from piracy in one form or another, just going into other peoples lands and claiming everything of value as our own
*yawn*
I've heard this argument before. ad nauseum
Unfortunately it has as much stability as a 1 legged stool.
Lets get back on topic, please....
//
If it makes you feel any better dohboi, the entire world will become bankrupt thanks to PO however Africa will be first.
Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 1:44 am Post subject: Re: The Spreading Food Crisis Thread (U.S. & World)
Wisconsin_cur:
Quote:
Wisconsin_cur: Help me out, what are some examples of political decisions that one could reasonably expect the 3rd world to make that would mitigate the problem?
Here's a story showing exactly what political decisions may be taken:
LILONGWE, Malawi — Malawi hovered for years at the brink of famine. After a disastrous corn harvest in 2005, almost five million of its 13 million people needed emergency food aid.
But this year, a nation that has perennially extended a begging bowl to the world is instead feeding its hungry neighbors. It is selling more corn to the World Food Program of the United Nations than any other country in southern Africa and is exporting hundreds of thousands of tons of corn to Zimbabwe.
But after the 2005 harvest, the worst in a decade, Bingu wa Mutharika, Malawi’s newly elected president, decided to follow what the West practiced, not what it preached.
Stung by the humiliation of pleading for charity, he led the way to reinstating and deepening fertilizer subsidies despite a skeptical reception from the United States and Britain. Malawi’s soil, like that across sub-Saharan Africa, is gravely depleted, and many, if not most, of its farmers are too poor to afford fertilizer at market prices.
“As long as I’m president, I don’t want to be going to other capitals begging for food,” Mr. Mutharika declared. Patrick Kabambe, the senior civil servant in the Agriculture Ministry, said the president told his advisers, “Our people are poor because they lack the resources to use the soil and the water we have.”
Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 5:59 am Post subject: Re: The Spreading Food Crisis Thread (U.S. & World)
virgincrude wrote:
Wisconsin_cur:
Quote:
Wisconsin_cur: Help me out, what are some examples of political decisions that one could reasonably expect the 3rd world to make that would mitigate the problem?
Here's a story showing exactly what political decisions may be taken:
LILONGWE, Malawi — Malawi hovered for years at the brink of famine. After a disastrous corn harvest in 2005, almost five million of its 13 million people needed emergency food aid.
But this year, a nation that has perennially extended a begging bowl to the world is instead feeding its hungry neighbors. It is selling more corn to the World Food Program of the United Nations than any other country in southern Africa and is exporting hundreds of thousands of tons of corn to Zimbabwe.
But after the 2005 harvest, the worst in a decade, Bingu wa Mutharika, Malawi’s newly elected president, decided to follow what the West practiced, not what it preached.
Stung by the humiliation of pleading for charity, he led the way to reinstating and deepening fertilizer subsidies despite a skeptical reception from the United States and Britain. Malawi’s soil, like that across sub-Saharan Africa, is gravely depleted, and many, if not most, of its farmers are too poor to afford fertilizer at market prices.
“As long as I’m president, I don’t want to be going to other capitals begging for food,” Mr. Mutharika declared. Patrick Kabambe, the senior civil servant in the Agriculture Ministry, said the president told his advisers, “Our people are poor because they lack the resources to use the soil and the water we have.”
My concern is that this will have to go the way of diesel subsidies in Asia. As the price goes up, government will be forced to decrease or end the susbsidy in order to stay solvent. Then, hunger _________________ "Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain."
-Friedrich von Schiller
"Politics is not the art of the possible. It consists in choosing between the disastrous and the unpalatable."
John Kenneth Galbraith
Mlombo, a 23-year-old Zimbabwean who arrived in South Africa five months ago, has spent a week sleeping on a concrete floor with hundreds of other refugees outside Alexandra police station in northern Johannesburg. He's just one victim of anti- immigrant violence in South Africa that has left at least 42 dead in a week
FYI South Africa is the wealthiest nation in Africa. It has a GDP per capita of $10,000 so it would be more correct to call this a 2nd world and NOT a 3rd world nation.
I don't think you understand what 1st 2nd and 3rd world actually are defined to mean.
1st world was (pretty much) NATO.
2nd world was Communist States within the USSR's sphere of influence
3rd world was everybody else.
Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 8:01 am Post subject: Re: The Spreading Food Crisis Thread (U.S. & World)
Jack wrote:
Ferretlover wrote:
AND the fact that financial and medical aid has been pouring into Africa for decades, all to No avail.
The hilarious thing is...all that aid has made the problem infinitely worse.
Think about it. The West sends in food and medical aid. This cuts infant mortality. The infants grow...and reproduce...creating more overshoot...which generates pleas for aid...and on and on it goes.
And the financial aid makes it worse too. I saw a piece (I couldn't find the link to save my life) that discussed tailors. It seems they had a sewing machine and made simple, inexpensive clothes - but it was a viable, respected business.
So...used clothing gets sent over and distributed for free. Well, if the populace can get free clothing, there is no need for a tailor - who proceeds to go out of business. By attempting to help, the area is rendered more dependent.
(Please insert sound of Satanic laughter here).
Now Africa is in severe overshoot and the West will be forced to end aid. It's going to be a die-off event that approaches the indescribable. But we won't see or hear any of it, because the news crews won't be able to get there.
They will die in mass, and in silence. No one will know or care.
You hit the nail on the head. All that money could have gone for better things. They were better off as colonies of European Powers.
Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 9:26 am Post subject: Re: The Spreading Food Crisis Thread (U.S. & World)
Africans were doing just fine until westerners showed up. Their problems are due to us trying to force our way of life into a population and area that it doesn't work.
They need to be able to stand on their own 2 feet in a way that works for them.
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Then stop driving to work, duh..... 
