I think this is the beginnings of an economy based on perpetual growth and fossil fuel energy running headlong into geological energy constraints. Basically I see an undulatory downward path for the rest of my life. From here out, I think any rallies in our economic condition are going to be met with spiking commodity prices that knock us right back down.
Posted: Sat May 24, 2008 2:33 pm Post subject: Why must we endure 135 a barrel for oil, it IS unnecessary
I really don't won't to burst anyone's bubble but it is time for major change in the U.S. With oil over 130 a barrel and continuing to climb why is our government getting directly involved with a hard line stance? At this point the government should be giving billion dollar tax breaks to any company that can produce non oil fuel NOW so that the back of big oil can be broken. There is no reason for the high prices other than a whole list of people are getting very rich at the countries expense. Alcohol can work as long as we don't use food products to produse alcohol(of course noone will discuss that oil has a long history controlling this country.) After hurricane charley the streets around where I live were piled high with organic waste and what did our wonderful government do with all this waste? It went to the incenerator. and trust me there was ALOT of yard debris after charlie, and wilma and dennis and catrina etc, etc, etc... just like with all natural disasters there is alot of organic debris that is just wasted. The people of the United States should be going through the roof. Fire the politicians and send them home without a job, they have allowed big business to controll every aspect of the government to the point that the government can now no longer seperate government and big business. Dig into the memory banks inside of your heads, and just for a second recall that in 2 years this country created a very detailed complex expolsive(the a-bomb) but now 65 years later we can't find a realistically priced alternative to gasoline. And another thought that comes to mind if in the 1990's we had gotten away from oil how much money would the middle east have to wage war? If the U.S. finds an viable alternative to oil do you think that the rest of the world will not follow suit? How come Our Federal government that every electric company in the U.S. to put up at least some windmills and utilise winpower to decrease the dependancy on oil and carbon based fuels for the production of electricity? Why is it not mandatory for all homeowners to have windmills to produce electricity? GET MAD it is time
Posted: Sat May 24, 2008 2:45 pm Post subject: Re: Why must we endure 135 a barrel for oil, it IS unnecessa
I don't think you have a true grasp of the problem at hand.Do some more reading and research.
If you are waiting for the government to come to the rescue, might as well get your number now for the bread lines. _________________ Nothing is more dangerous than a man with nothing left to lose but has everything left to gain.
Posted: Sat May 24, 2008 2:51 pm Post subject: Re: Why must we endure 135 a barrel for oil, it IS unnecessa
HEADER_RACK wrote:
I don't think you have a true grasp of the problem at hand.Do some more reading and research.
If you are waiting for the government to come to the rescue, might as well get your number now for the bread lines.
I don't expect the government to do anything it is up to the people. Time to boycott oil
Posted: Sat May 24, 2008 2:52 pm Post subject: Re: Why must we endure 135 a barrel for oil, it IS unnecessa
That's just it - there is no 'non-oil fuel' that can replace oil. If there was a viable replacement - one that could could scale to replace the millions of barrels of oil we consume everyday - we'd already be on it.
This is what makes peakoil so dire. One on the 'kingpins' of the entire economy - its lifeblood, and the source of true wealth - is on the wane.
I agree with Aaron - before we hit bottom this likely means war at some point, over what's left. Well, that's already the case, why do you think the US is in Iraq and the ME? The US is going to find it increasingly difficult to continue its disproportionate consumption of the oil pie. We consume something like 25% of all oil, with only 5% of the global population. Especially now that we import something like 2/3 of the oil we need, and the economy is in freefall.
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Posted: Sat May 24, 2008 2:56 pm Post subject: Re: Why must we endure 135 a barrel for oil, it IS unnecessa
I can see where you going, realistically we should be looking to replace oil but reduce the amount of energy we use. Rail systems, people not living 500 miles from where they work etc. People will have to change their lifestyles, not get angry.
Posted: Sat May 24, 2008 2:59 pm Post subject: Re: Why must we endure 135 a barrel for oil, it IS unnecessa
trinitro wrote:
Time to boycott oil
Does that mean I can have your ration? _________________ "So while you sit and whistle Dixie with your money and your power.
I can hear the flowers a-growin in the rubble of the towers.
I hear leaders quit their lying
I hear babies quit their crying.
I hear soldiers quit their dying, one and all." - OCMS
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Posted: Sat May 24, 2008 2:59 pm Post subject: Re: Why must we endure 135 a barrel for oil, it IS unnecessa
Welcome to peakoil.com trintro.
I agree with header_Rack. You might want to do some reading right here on the issue of oil depletion. Once you have a good grasp of that concept, start reading Montequest's alternative energy threads. Then you'll understand.
It's not the oil companies. Are they going to take the money? But of course they are. But it's *not* because of the oil companies that your gasoline is now oh so expensive. It is expensive because of you (and millions of others).
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Posted: Sat May 24, 2008 3:04 pm Post subject: Re: Why must we endure 135 a barrel for oil, it IS unnecessa
arretium wrote:
Welcome to peakoil.com trintro.
I agree with header_Rack. You might want to do some reading right here on the issue of oil depletion. Once you have a good grasp of that concept, start reading Montequest's alternative energy threads. Then you'll understand.
It's not the oil companies. Are they going to take the money? But of course they are. But it's *not* because of the oil companies that your gasoline is now oh so expensive. It is expensive because of you (and millions of others).
Posted: Sat May 24, 2008 3:05 pm Post subject: Re: Why must we endure 135 a barrel for oil, it IS unnecessa
eric_b wrote:
That's just it - there's is no 'non-oil fuel' that can replace oil. If there was a viable replacement - one that could could scale to replace the millions of barrels of oil we consume everyday - we'd already be on it.
This is what makes peakoil so dire. One on the 'kingpins' of the entire economy - its lifeblood, and the source of true wealth - is on the wane.
I agree with Aaron - before we hit bottom this likely means war at some point, over what's left. Well, that's already the case, why do you think the US in in Iraq and the ME?
your telling me that in 2 years the U.S. can produce but we cannot find an alternative to oil, bull. Oil is entrenched in our society and our country is being run by an oilman who couldn't even make an oil company profitable and it went belly up. And who do you think George rubs shoulders with, his oil buddies. And of course we are in Iraq because of oil it has nothing to do with the WMD that we were lied to about.(by the way Mr. Bush should be tried and hung for war crimes) The oil companies have us over a barrel. Even if you found an alternative to oil that wasn't supplied by the oil companies it wouldn't be sold by the oil companies unless they could profit as they are right now? But there are a lot of things this country can do to relieve the problem and it takes our government to do them(you know like electric high speed trains, ground the fuel pig airlines, solar and wind generation for electricity, forget nuclear no means of disposing the waste that is safe etc.etc.etc....)
Posted: Sat May 24, 2008 3:16 pm Post subject: Re: Why must we endure 135 a barrel for oil, it IS unnecessa
You need to do your homework. None of those alternatives can scale to replace oil.
Yes I'm telling you there's no substitute for oil. It's the best energy source there is, that's why we're using it. Deal.
Reality is telling us there's going to be less energy in our future, and this is what people will have to adapt to. It will affect everyone eventually, we're going to have to adapt, it will be a big change. We're not going to be able find a substitute which will let us continue 'business as usual'
Posted: Sat May 24, 2008 3:19 pm Post subject: Re: Why must we endure 135 a barrel for oil, it IS unnecessa
trinitro wrote:
The oil companies have us over a barrel.
The oil companies have us over a barrel like a crack dealer has a junkie over a barrel. No they're not helping the situation, but we've got an addiction problem of our own that is not going to be solved by blaming them.
Are there alternatives? Yes. All of them involve making do with less, and therein lies the rub. We don't want less. We want more. But less is what we're going to get. So we flail, and blame, and search for a messiah to save us. _________________ "So while you sit and whistle Dixie with your money and your power.
I can hear the flowers a-growin in the rubble of the towers.
I hear leaders quit their lying
I hear babies quit their crying.
I hear soldiers quit their dying, one and all." - OCMS
Posted: Sat May 24, 2008 3:20 pm Post subject: Re: Why must we endure 135 a barrel for oil, it IS unnecessa
FireJack wrote:
I can see where you going, realistically we should be looking to replace oil but reduce the amount of energy we use. Rail systems, people not living 500 miles from where they work etc. People will have to change their lifestyles, not get angry.
but the people need to get angry we are all like puppets on strings at the whim of rich corporations, who inevitably control our lives because they are financially powerful enough to lobby our politicians. You can see the proof of this everyday. I know the people of New york needed help after 9-11 but there alot of other issues about our lives that need just as much attention, but don't even get a second look. Yet year after year we keep putting the same politicians back into office(you know Kennedywho has been therre for forty years where are the term limits.) And everyone talks about how much the price of oil has been held down and doesn't meet inflation that is a bunch of hoopla, my salary doesn't meet inflation either.
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Posted: Sat May 24, 2008 3:21 pm Post subject: Re: Why must we endure 135 a barrel for oil, it IS unnecessa
The importance and irreplaceability of oil in our current way of life is why that nuclear engineer president we had back in the 70's declared the Carter Doctrine.
Quote:
Let our position be absolutely clear: An attempt by any outside force to gain control of the Persian Gulf region will be regarded as an assault on the vital interests of the United States of America, and such an assault will be repelled by any means necessary, including military force.
Posted: Sat May 24, 2008 3:28 pm Post subject: Re: Why must we endure 135 a barrel for oil, it IS unnecessa
smallpoxgirl wrote:
trinitro wrote:
The oil companies have us over a barrel.
The oil companies have us over a barrel like a crack dealer has a junkie over a barrel. No they're not helping the situation, but we've got an addiction problem of our own that is not going to be solved by blaming them.
Are there alternatives? Yes. All of them involve making do with less, and therein lies the rub. We don't want less. We want more. But less is what we're going to get. So we flail, and blame, and search for a messiah to save us.
other countries use a much higher combination of ethanol and gasoline Why can't the U.S.? It doesn't make any sense to continue to flog a dead horse, bottom line we need to eliminate our dependancy on oil now not later. It is time for the nay sayers to stop talking about how we need oil so badly and figure out how to get away from it and that will take our government because the oil companies have no intention of cutting their profits. And remember we made a nuclear bomb in 2 years took a lot of research and alot money but at the same time how many billions have we spent trying to secure oil in Iraq? Seems like if we had spent some of that money on research rather than killing off our soldiers there might be an answer by now.
Posted: Sat May 24, 2008 3:30 pm Post subject: Re: Why must we endure 135 a barrel for oil, it IS unnecessa
Quote:
I really don't won't to burst anyone's bubble
Ahaaahaahaaaaahaaaa.
Holy crap, I almost wet myself reading that line.
The Donkey crap Eater doesn't want to burst MY Bubble.
You see? He doesn't want to burst MY bubble.
I hope Daniel Day Lewis will forgive me.
Hey Donkey crap Eater . . .
I burst YOUR bubble. I burst your Bubble. Your bubble is here, and here is my pin . . . it's a long pin . . . a very long pin, and I . . .BURST . . . YOUR .. . . . . BUBBLE.
[Don't bully me Cashmere].
Say it DSE, say it . . .
"I'm a Pollyanna, and alternatives are a Superstition."
Come on DSE, like your congregation is sitting right here . . . your congregation of fat, ignorant, DSE, just like you. Scream it DSE, so that they know you mean it . . .
"I'm a Pollyanna, and alternatives are a Superstition."
Donkey crap Eater,
I
BURST
YOUR
BUBBLE.
On another note, fellow PO members, while it used to be humorous to have a NEO pulled from his womb and dropped here for us to gently nurse to health,
. . . is anybody other than me dreading having these DSEs in complete denial come barging into this site with soon to be daily posts of . . .
"Gas is 8 dollars a gallon because Big Oil is greedy - you're all wrong, and there's plenty of oil."
It's like the kid who walks halfway across town to tell the girl in his class, "I don't like you."
This is going to suck. _________________ Massive Human Dieoff must occur as a result of Peak Oil. Many more than half will die. It will occur everywhere, including where you live. If you fail to recognize this, then your odds of living move toward the "going to die" group.
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