Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
Joined: May 25, 2008 Posts: 22 Location: Southwest New Mexico
Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 12:29 pm Post subject: Re: Tesla Electric Car
And one more thing. I notice in posts on this site. Reduced expectations. We need an elementary school class on diminished expectations. I see many people trying to maintain the lifestyle they have grown up knowing.
I think the point of what many of us are seeing as fuel costs go through the roof is the absolute realization that everything has changed for people who can't afford $4. and beyond gasoline. It isn't a matter on maintaining, it is a situation of changing.
For some people even 10 dollars a gallon or more isn't a problem for them. But for others who live on the financial edge. they are already in deep do do.
Changing our ways is the issue. we all know about the costs we are all paying.
Joined: May 26, 2008 Posts: 3 Location: Redding , Ca
Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 1:00 pm Post subject: Re: Tesla Electric Car
There's a company in New Jersey that has taken old ,
proven technologies along with hydrogen fuel cells and
added a few of their own discoveries to develop an add-on
kit to existing engines .
This unit reformulates the fuel . They have sold several thousand
kits and the average increase in fuel economy is 95% , thus they
guarantee a 50% increase or your money back . Some of the
modifications have obtained 200% improvement .
No infrastructure is required because the hydrogen is produced on board on demand .
That's phase #1 ,
phase #2 is a replacement of the catalytic converter now in use
which burns ( wastes ) the unburnt fuel . The new invention utilizes
this waste carbon to produce and burn energy . They tested it on a
dynomometer on a Chrysler 318 engine , simulating pulling a trailer
with a 50% load up a 30% grade at 3,000 rpms for an hour . Before
modification the engine used 18 pounds of fuel ( 22 MPG ) and after
modification utilized 2 pounds of fuel ( 196 MPG ) .
This technology is awaiting EPA and CARB approvals prior to
release.
Joined: Aug 03, 2007 Posts: 4565 Location: Boston Suburbs
Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 1:06 pm Post subject: Re: Tesla Electric Car
Vee wrote:
People will accept these cars when the price of fuel hits 6 dollars a gallon and beyond. You think?
Interest and buying habits are two different things. In order for people to buy electric cars they have to make a paradigm shift. That's why plugins have the best chances since they can be driven the way people are used to.
Joined: May 25, 2008 Posts: 22 Location: Southwest New Mexico
Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 2:25 pm Post subject: Re: Tesla Electric Car
Plugs in's ? there is no free lunch. it still takes energy to charge whatever car is plugged in. You are stuck in the very mind set I was referring to. you seem to think that with a change in the technology everything will go back to what it was in the 1960's..... It's over baby. you can't go back only forward and the future says energy is going to cost more. what is it that you don't understand about high energy costs?
People in the winter cold and heat with electricity already know that electricity costs money. how long before the costs of high energy will be seen on your light bill in the future?
Today it's "I can't cruise the main drag" to I can't afford to keep the lights on? How would your life change with a 40 cent Kilowatt charge? or a 60 cent? think it's out of the question?
Also it should be said that the waste and abuse we have enjoyed in the energy glut we have all enjoyed for soooo long may bring about some much needed change in people life habits. This energy change doesn't have to be a bad thing in the end. it may well save the planet from what has been the norm of use and abuse. Abuse is going to cost NOW rather than the later. that has to be a good thing. already people are cutting back on RV use and all the toys are staying in the garage. a little peace on the lakes and in the forests. It will be interesting to see what happens this summer as people stay home. who knows maybe they will get to know each other? Vee...............
Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 9:58 am Post subject: Re: Tesla Electric Car
JRP3 wrote:
Sideous wrote:
Come back in 100 years and most cars will draw power from electrified conduits fitted into slots within the road. Cars working on this principle will be very light (and superfast) since they will require relatively little energy storage capacity and will have infinite range, since the power comes directly from the grid conductively and there is no need to stop and recharge.
And how much would it cost to retrofit the millions and millions of miles of highways to do this, and to keep these strips powered, even when there may be no vehicles on the road for periods of time? They can barely keep the potholes filled around here, no way can we afford to do what you're suggesting.
Small sections for on the fly recharging of battery powered vehicles, maybe. The fact is that battery powered vehicles can work well once you re-think your actual "needed" range.
The same could be said for electrified railways, or the catenary systems that power trams. The fact is that these systems work and they haven't broken the bank. Capital costs will be higher because of the added expense of the electrified strip and transformer stations. But fuel costs will be a lot lower. There is no good reason to believe that these systems will cost the Earth, any more than electric railways.
My guess is that cars will carry batteries or small IC engines for local roads and highways will be electrified. I doubt that smaller roads would be electrified anyhow, as this would create unacceptable risks in pedestrian areas.
Joined: May 25, 2008 Posts: 22 Location: Southwest New Mexico
Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 2:00 pm Post subject: Re: Tesla Electric Car
True enough we can make electricity in many different ways. In my last home we had hydro power from a stream which gave us refrigeration
and lights, as well as the other things which used power. In my current location i have grid power, but have been considering putting in wind and cells for the sun. I prefer the grid as it is sooo much cheaper. and investment of 15K seems a lot. but it may be money well spent again.
anyone see the guy flying over the Alps with a 8 foot jet wing? Now I thought that very cool. seems to me we are way past the point where there should have been a personal flying "thingy" created at a reasonable price. Considering the fact that a mechanical failure at 1000 feet is more of a concern than coasting to a stop after running out of gas it may be awhile in the waiting. Still a strap on flying machine still seems like something we should have had by now. Rocket up and glide in.
Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 8:09 pm Post subject: Re: Tesla Electric Car
cube wrote:
However I've said it before and I'll say it again. Until I can walk into a car dealership and buy an EV car for cheaper than an ICE car:
I will never buy an EV car.
I think my opinion represents 95% of the population.
???
5 years ago 100 out of 100 people would have said they wouldn't buy a puny hybrid. Today the tax incentives are gone and a hybrid costs more than a comprable regular ICE car but they are still selling like hotcakes!
Why is that?
Everyone has a price, and "many" understand what an investment is. _________________ Those that cannot do..... teach. Those that cannot teach......teach gym.-Jack black
Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 7:08 am Post subject: Re: Tesla Electric Car
Future4u wrote:
There's a company in New Jersey that has taken old ,
proven technologies along with hydrogen fuel cells and
added a few of their own discoveries to develop an add-on
kit to existing engines .
This unit reformulates the fuel . They have sold several thousand
kits and the average increase in fuel economy is 95% , thus they
guarantee a 50% increase or your money back . Some of the
modifications have obtained 200% improvement .
No infrastructure is required because the hydrogen is produced on board on demand .
That's phase #1 ,
phase #2 is a replacement of the catalytic converter now in use
which burns ( wastes ) the unburnt fuel . The new invention utilizes
this waste carbon to produce and burn energy . They tested it on a
dynomometer on a Chrysler 318 engine , simulating pulling a trailer
with a 50% load up a 30% grade at 3,000 rpms for an hour . Before
modification the engine used 18 pounds of fuel ( 22 MPG ) and after
modification utilized 2 pounds of fuel ( 196 MPG ) .
This technology is awaiting EPA and CARB approvals prior to
release.
BTW , the highly publicized " Oil shortage " may be a huge fraud .
Go to : http://www.reformation.org/energy-non-crisis.html
and watch a speech by Lindsey Williams in a series of tapes .
He sure sounds convincing to me...
I'm surprised no one jumped on this one, so I guess I will :D
If you're talking about hydrogen injection for ICE's no one has to my knowledge shown a good study of this actually working as advertised.
Lindsey Williams is a nut making all sorts of claims with little proof. _________________ The shovel with a wheel - The Wovel.
http://wovel.com/
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