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Cashmere · Light Sweet Crude Joined: Mar 27, 2008 Posts: 1971

Look, it's really very simple. You can put as much lipstick on this pig as you want, but at the end of the day, the analysis is simple.

First, let me point out that poachers in Africa routinely shoot endangered mountain gorillas for meat. Not for money, not for safety, not to protect crops, not for sport.

for meat.

I write that only to provide evidence of how base our fundamental biological impulses are.

Now let's got on to the farking polar bears.

Polar bears. The new poster child for granola eating, berkinstock wearing douchebags who drive their Priuses to Starbucks every day where they spend an hour drinking a 5 dollar coffee and surfing on the Net through the wi-fi hot spot with their Apple Itard computer.

People, the Polar Bears are already gone; what you're looking at is simply the long funeral.

Polar bear extinction began right about the time that our ancestors learned to group hunt and speak to each other. The extinction was a foregone conclusion.

In fact, I quite comfortably predict that no large land animal that has not been domesticated will survive human civilization.

We will not stop.

We will destroy every habitat, change the climate, hunt them for food, kill them if they compete, and so on.

If you are so delusional so as to think that in a world of 6.5 billion people with several billion facing starvation in the next few decades that the whole oil-allowed save the whatever movement will survive then you need a reality check.

I'm giving it to you here.

There are one of two positions.

1. You believe that humans and animals are equal.
2. You believe that humans are above (other) animals and that human life is more precious than animal life.

If 1, then you're screwed, because your life is only possible to the detriment of animals, and your only option, if you want to protect polar bears, is to check yourself out. This is what I call the great Vegan paradox. If you are alive, then you can't be Vegan, because being alive, in and of itself, is monstrously destructive to animals. The orangutans are being driven to extinction so that you can drive that Prius and own that Mac Itard. Simple as that.

If 2, then it's time you understood something . . .

The next 20 years is when the petri dish becomes completely full, and you will be fighting for your life.

If you don't want to do that, then check yourself out and I'll see you on the flip side.

If you do want to fight to survive, then you'd better understand that the orangutans and polar bears are already dead, and the only fight you should be thinking about is the fight for your own survival, and, to the extent you feel compelled, the fight for the survival of your family, friends, and others around you.

That's it.

It sucks, it means we're destroyers, but there it is, in plain black and white.

When I hear someone thinking about saving the polar bears, it's equivalent to me to being aboard a plane that is going down and we're doing everything we can to prepare to live through the crash landing and the person next to me is concerned that the porcelain doll in her overhead luggage might be damaged.
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Aaron · Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 6:53 am Post subject: Re: new girl

Hi Cashmere

You're kinda mean.

\just sayin
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Dukkha · Heavy Crude Joined: Dec 14, 2007 Posts: 118

There's a difference between what's inevitable and what's merely probable.

Revi · Fusion Joined: Apr 25, 2005 Posts: 3460 Location: Maine

Nice rant, Cashmere. I think you should take a little trip up to polar bear territory and get you one. Watch out for tricinosis. Cook that meat thoroughly. Better yet, you should fight it out with the bear with just a knife. That would be a fair fight!

They congregate in Churchill, Manitoba in October. Maybe you could go on one of those big tired schoolbus buggy tours, but when you get to the bears you could leap out and put on a show.

Here's a link:

http://www.tundrabuggy.com/

All kidding aside, it sounds like polar bears may really make a difference in combating global warming after all. They may slow down the regulatory process for getting a coal fired power plant going:

http://www.321energy.com/editorials/kasun/kasun052608.html
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Hagakure_Leofman · Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 8:13 am Post subject: Re: new girl

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Cashmere · Light Sweet Crude Joined: Mar 27, 2008 Posts: 1971

Awwww, Cashmere is mean. Cashmere has no sense of humor. Cashmere can't swear with aplomb.

Blow it out your collective asses.

You've got the concept of Peak Oil, right?

You understand that it's greed and power lust that motivates the people running the world, right?

You understand that people behave like animals, right?

Put them all together to form a single picture and you'll see that polar bears are not in the picture.

If you want to dream, dream. If you want to fantasize, have a blast.

But to waste time and resources for a doomed animal is irrational.

Like I keep saying, when you get down to people being hungry, all the berkinstock bullhockey goes right out the window.

You want to know how people behave when they get hungry?

They shoot a severely endangered primate for meat.

Money and time spent on trying to save the polar bears is money and time wasted.

By the way, I'm not trying to entertain you, female poster with the "beautiful horse" avatar.

Use the ignore button.

I get it that you don't want to hear the horror of it. Believe me I get it. But maybe, just maybe, I'm not posting for your benefit.
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btu2012 · Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 12:28 pm Post subject: Re: new girl

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btu2012 · Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 12:40 pm Post subject: Re: new girl

Sorry, fixed the quote. Embarassed

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Hagakure_Leofman · Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 5:47 pm Post subject: Re: new girl

Cashmere reminds me of Hudson from the film Aliens
Heres a quote....

azreal60 · Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 12:52 am Post subject: Re: new girl

Welcome Jenny. Your quest to save polar bears is noble but I'm afraid peak oil isn't going to help in time. Last I checked global warming is trucking along well enough that even if we just stopped using all Co2 right now, the effects have gone along far enough that polar bears won't be living outside zoo's in a few years.

Now, that doesn't mean they have to go extinct. It just means it's likely.

If you've noticed, there is a re-occuring theme on the responses to you. Save yourself first, if you plan on saving anything else. There's a reason it's being said over and over.

Also, if you REALLY want a good mind bender, I recommend the works of Daniel Quinn. Read Ishmael and you will be forever changed. I do believe however what you need to realize is that you are awakened to a realm of knowledge that you didn't even have an awareness of before. So rather than letting it get you down, realize that unless death is staring you in your face right now, you have time. Use it. Plan. Think. Far too many people spend way too little time in a day thinking.

Overall, I'm in favor of more thought.

And again, welcome.
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JennyLB82 · Coal Joined: May 26, 2008 Posts: 7

you are a sad, sad soul, cashmere.... what kind of name is cashmere anyway????

joeltrout, i appreciate your reply and i am not going anywhere i just didn't expect to get attacked so soon.

polemic, very cute picture of the polar bear cub, but what's with the avatar? it's just mean.

threadbear · Expert Joined: Jan 22, 2005 Posts: 7763