Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 6:47 pm Post subject: Re: Portugal
My buddies new wife just moved up from Brazil and speaks your language. I believe I can now say caiparenia. That's all the Portuguese I know, except Port and Porto.
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Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 9:07 pm Post subject: Re: Portugal
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alguem preocupado
I sure am. _________________ Massive Human Dieoff must occur as a result of Peak Oil. Many more than half will die. It will occur everywhere, including where you live. If you fail to recognize this, then your odds of living move toward the "going to die" group.
Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 2:54 pm Post subject: Re: Portugal
hey pstarr, so we had spoken, iīve checked the welcome forum first , iīm from Porto actually.
i came across peak oil.com some time ago searching on google and put it in my favourites but only yeasterday came back to explore it..
caipirinhas are great but nasty to the liver... i know a lot of people from brazil as thereīs been plenty immigration from and to Brazil, but never been there unfortunately and i guess now iīll never get to know Brazil although it was on my plans before this inflation... later iīll give my view on my personal and my country situation and itīs not good at all.
hey Cashmere do u speak portuguese?
Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 3:03 pm Post subject: Re: Portugal
Falo? No.
But I'm worried nonetheless.
_________________ Massive Human Dieoff must occur as a result of Peak Oil. Many more than half will die. It will occur everywhere, including where you live. If you fail to recognize this, then your odds of living move toward the "going to die" group.
Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 5:23 pm Post subject: Re: Portugal
so in general portugal is in the front when it comes to fossil fuels dependency (2nd most dependent in EU) and level of debt( heard on the news today weīre also nš 2 in EU)... not only that but the state is the major player in the economy and is responsible for more than half of the economy. tax level is at 52% and the state is still with chronic deficit, the families and private companies are also very in debt... so, what does the socialist government has in his sleeve for the country? one brand new mega airport that by bad luck will be located on top of the biggest underground water reserve of the country; a new refinery; and at last the most expensive of all a high velocity train railway built to connect us to "Europe". This is the way we will go through 21st century, using investment schemes of the 20th century
Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 7:52 pm Post subject: Re: Portugal
Portuga, ouch, sounds really bad. _________________ Massive Human Dieoff must occur as a result of Peak Oil. Many more than half will die. It will occur everywhere, including where you live. If you fail to recognize this, then your odds of living move toward the "going to die" group.
Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 5:38 am Post subject: Re: Portugal
yeah Cashmere, this is a semi communist state, and when the almighty state makes an error, itīs the taxpayers who pay the price.
The peopleīs mentality is also state dependent, most politicians irresponsabily have passed the last 34 year saying that no one has to work because the state will provide... Portugal is still not an economic democracy...
Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 7:52 am Post subject: Re: Portugal
What I heard is that Portugal legalized/deregulated all drugs known to man? I understood this measure was done to save money, so in conjuction with the legalization of drugs they ended their participation on the "war on drugs". Ive heard it from so many people now that Ive come to accept it as the truth, but the thing is, it sounds so bizarre and extreme that I have to ask you, is it true, and if it is, what is your take on it? Do you see the consequences out there on the streets?
Anyway, I already knew that the economic situation there was pretty grim. It is very sad to hear that they aren't doing the right things to help ease the pain atleast a little bit. One thing about consolidated/centralized power is the potential to work radical change in a sort span of time. With a power dispersed democracy, like we have here, things become slow and everything is a compromise of a compromise.
Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 4:27 pm Post subject: Re: Portugal
hey phaeron, thatīs not true about drugs, only small dosages for personal use have been decriminalized (different from legalized) and only hashisch and marijuana, not hard drugs... what i see on the streets is a lot of cocaine basically, in some night life areas they come offering to anyone who passes, i donīt do drugs so i donīt know anything about its quality
Joined: May 06, 2008 Posts: 3 Location: Alentejo(Pt)
Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 8:26 am Post subject: Re: Portugal
Hi Portuga,
weīre in a real mess, huh?
Youīre right, the portuguese state is too heavy and consumes too much resources for a poor country like Portugal.
The new airport and the TGV are indeed the worst thing we can do right now. Our stupid leaders love to do this megaprojects.
Giving the grim prospects that affect airtravel worldwide, i think we are not going to build these monsters. Not because our politicians donīt want to but because they canīt, we donīt have the capital or resources to build them, and people will realize thatīs a huge mistake.
This past days road blocks are starting to frighten me, i wrote this a few minutes ago in the "current energy news" thread:
ŦThe situation here in Portugal is getting pretty bad. The road blocks that the truckers and truck companys have made in protest of high fuel prices are becoming a serious issue.
There are shortages of goods in the supermarkets, and thereīs a shortage of fuel in many fuel stations all around the country, last night the governement set up a convoy of 40 fuel trucks escorted by police forces to refuel the stations. There are fuel shortages in the airport and flights have been canceled. Firefighters and ambulances are complaining for lack of fuel.
People are scared and are beggining to hoard fuel and demand that the governement uses force to stop the road blocks.
I wonder what will be like in 2012 (or early?) when real declines in world oil production kick in, when people realize that the governement canīt do nothing to ease the cost of life as we know it, and life becomes unbearable. Chaos, i fear!ŧ
Good to see informed and concerned portuguese people.
Thanks for the tip on this thread phaeryen.
Abraco para todos.
Best regards.
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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 6:56 am Post subject: Re: Portugal
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I wonder what will be like in 2012 (or early?) when real declines in world oil production kick in, when people realize that the governement canīt do nothing to ease the cost of life as we know it, and life becomes unbearable. Chaos, i fear!ŧ
Chaos, indeed.
Not from Portugal but from Spain, feels like we're in this together too. Quite worried also but I'm aware we'll make it. We made it through the black pest, the inquisition and 800 years of muslim invasion, we'll make it through PO too, at a VERY high cost, true, but chaos is our life (if you compare us to the rest of the civilized world, with the exception of Greece maybe), so if chaos has to come we'll be better prepared than anyone to deal with it. Anyone who likes order, logic and good manners better leave before SHTF.
Are you guys still just one generation away from farming? That's where we are, everyone here over 60 spent his childhood in a rural area with no eletricity, working on the filds and with the animals all day long, that may be a good thing. The bad side is that they all got used to credit cards and city apartments and are sure that "somebody will do something". _________________ When someone interprets as derogatory almost anything that is said about him (or about groups with whom he identifies) we conclude that he has inferiority feelings or low self-esteem.
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, iīm from Porto actually.
