Don’t worry, just a little bump - $70 is just around the corner. Short traders just keep making those margin calls, mortgage the house if you have to. Fortunes await you! PO is for pansies and doomers. At $70 short some more ..... it is going back to $22 .... the world is awash with oil ........ reality has nothing to do with it, its all in those charts!!!!!!!!!!
Joined: Aug 03, 2006 Posts: 4054 Location: Gathering
Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 1:11 pm Post subject: Re: Men and women and disagreements about peak oil
Think about how YOU came to peak oil. Think about if someone else had tried to push you to it. Would you have resisted? It's something you should ask yourself.
This is a BIG deal, and people really need to come to their own understanding of it. With that said, I find that my wife is coming around more and more to see what I see, but it has been a gradual process.
If you love your partner, respect their view of the world and the future. When it comes to the future, no one knows for sure what will happen. Just make your case in a clear and respectful way and don't go doomer on them. Doomer rants are a turnoff to others, no matter how much fun they are for you (unless you happen to be talking to another doomer, in which case it's great fun for both of you).
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I have a theory about a person's predisposition to believe in doom scenarios, and it has to do with the years of a person's life between ages 5 and 10, along with the age of the parents.
My theory is that the economic climate during the time period between ages 5 and 10 will have about a 66% determinant effect on one's predisposition to believe in doom as an adult, and the remaining 33% is determined by the economic climate during the parents' childhood.
For me, the doom stars are in almost perfect alignment.
I was age 5-10 in 1975-1980, a truly depressing and doomalicious period.
My parents' childhood was the mid to late 1930s for my mother and the late 1930s to early 1940s for my dad, so they each had been exposed to lots of doomishness as kids as well.
Thus, I grew up with my parents passing along their experiences and perspectives while I was developing my own in similarly bleak economic conditions.
Thus, as an adult I am like a quickdraw doomer, and any prosperity kind of annoys me, because every bit of economic growth feels like a hole being dug deeper. I can't help being this way, it's just how I see things. The lucky (or maybe unlucky) thing is that I happen to be alive when this doomer sensibility is ver important to have, because I think that we are looking at a future that will be very challenging, and the people whose childhoods were after about 1985 and whose parents' childhoods were after about 1946 are going to have a LOT of cognitive dissonance to overcome.
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Back to the OP, and considering my theory, the member's husband is 60 years old, which means he was age 5-10 in 1953-1958, some of the most prosperous times in our history. I'm not surprised he is resistant to doom scenarios. It wouldn't surprise me either if his parents were ages 5-10 in the 1920s, in which case he would have a double dip of rose colored thinking to overcome.
I think that a double dip of deluxe doom thinking will serve one well in coming years.
Try this theory out on people. If they seem to "get" the peak oil thing right off the bat, find out the years in which they were ages 5-10. _________________
Joined: May 27, 2008 Posts: 36 Location: Irish in Idaho
Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 1:33 pm Post subject: Re: Men and women and disagreements about peak oil
I am a woman in my 40's ........my husband doesn't want to think about "peak oil" type things (he's 10 yrs older).....We are both from Ireland and visiting the USA for a year, he is still in an "enamoured" stage. I lived here before in the early 90's and sensed that something wasn't right even then...... and finding the pressure and lifestyle too "at odds"... I moved back to Ireland only for it to follow.
We did see a PBS (BBC) news programme recently which helped bring some of my points across. For now I will get as prepared as I can do in terms of knowledge, books, small transportable stuff...(.thanks everyone for all the great info on the site). We are both cycling more, giving up the booze and eating better. I am sorting out my affairs etc... I have savings and small investments in Euros, have no debts, no property...
If there are more men than women aware of peak oil, I think it depends on what your occupation is, how busy you are. I have no kids so I am not preoccupied in day to day management like many women are.
I don't think anywhere is quite safe if there is a major crisis. Ireland is too close to the huge population of Britain. The US has too many big cities and too many guns. I haven't even breached these scenerios with my husband...the only person I could talk to is my dad who is 86 and KNOWS that the world is ending....
T8....
Big Tex wrote:
Quote:
Try this theory out on people. If they seem to "get" the peak oil thing right off the bat, find out the years in which they were ages 5-10.
that's funny Big tex.....I had just written this post and then noticed your one.....My Dad was born in 1922 in Ireland and lived through very tough times ....Ireland in the 20's, was just getting over a civil war...my mother born in 1929 had a middle class more privileged existence until WW2(called The Emergency in Ireland)
My husband was born in the 50's and his family lived very well until his father died when he was 9 and they were sunk to poverty.
Me...I was middle class, but from a large family frugally brought up...always a conflict between my Dad wanting to save money and my mother wanting more comfort, though neither are/ were spendthrifts.
Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 2:06 pm Post subject: Re: Men and women and disagreements about peak oil
I guess I have a question: Do we live in a happy society ? 40% of the adult population is consuming and/or addicted to some form of drug, that does not seem to happy to me. A good old fashion depression will be good for the people in this country.
Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 2:10 pm Post subject: Re: Men and women and disagreements about peak oil
I've found a disproportionate number of lesbians to be interested in PO and the collapse of society. My thinking is if you're a lesbian, you're already in a head-space fare beyond what is considered acceptable to the greater culture, even more so than gay dudes. So coming to understand an issue like PO - which automatically places in you in a headspace at odds with the greater culture - is an easier pill for them to swallow.
We have a 4-to-1 ration of men to women at LATOC, at least according to what people identify as in there profiles. A lot of women don't put their gender though, so I suspect it is more like 3 or 3.5 to 1. It used to be 5.5 to 1. Then I appointed a lot of female mods and more ladies started showing up.
The net in general is about 70% guys and PO is mostly talked about on the net so right there you can expect more men than women just because the primary medium in which it is being discussed is populated by mostly men. _________________ http://www.peakoil.org
Joined: Dec 27, 2004 Posts: 11880 Location: zombie horde wonderland
Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 2:28 pm Post subject: Re: Men and women and disagreements about peak oil
AlwaysThere wrote:
I guess I have a question: Do we live in a happy society ? 40% of the adult population is consuming and/or addicted to some form of drug, that does not seem to happy to me. A good old fashion depression will be good for the people in this country.
I'm not sure more stress will be good for people. People are on drugs mainly because they feel stress. This is mostly the bad stress of inactivity, noise, crowding, emotional isolation, and worry. If a "good old fashion depression" can help people, it will be because they have found a way to get more physical activity, community, and mental stimulation of problem solving. Simply falling on hard times won't in itself help people, in my opinion. _________________ "...powerdown so soft and fluffy you'll think you're living in a pillow..." - jboogy
Joined: Sep 29, 2004 Posts: 2330 Location: Pennsylvania, USA
Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 2:36 pm Post subject: Re: Men and women and disagreements about peak oil
Becoming PO aware has helped me redefine my idea of intelligence. Intelligence is the ability to see the forest through the trees and to adapt quickly. That requires a disciplined open mindedness, the ability to get up to speed quickly and most importantly, the ability to think objectively about everything - nothing is sacred. Most people, educated or not, do not have those skills.
At the beginning of the Iraq war, I was often alone at work, being against it. I know a lot of "intelligent" people, with college degrees who have a naive, "go with the program" attitude. They are sheep and will go along with the flock where ever it is going - even off a cliff. Now that's not very intelligent, in fact, it's just downright stupid. People like that should be kept out of management positions at all costs. Unfortunately, we have a presidential administration and about have the country's voters who are, well, stupid. _________________ "That's the problem with mercy, kid... It just ain't professional" - Fast Eddie, The Color of Money
Joined: Sep 16, 2007 Posts: 1095 Location: Oklahoma City, USA
Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 2:42 pm Post subject: Re: Men and women and disagreements about peak oil
BigTex wrote:
I have a theory about a person's predisposition to believe in doom scenarios, and it has to do with the years of a person's life between ages 5 and 10, along with the age of the parents.
My theory is that the economic climate during the time period between ages 5 and 10 will have about a 66% determinant effect on one's predisposition to believe in doom as an adult, and the remaining 33% is determined by the economic climate during the parents' childhood.
For me, the doom stars are in almost perfect alignment.
I was age 5-10 in 1975-1980, a truly depressing and doomalicious period.
I pictured you older than that.
MattSavinar wrote:
We have a 4-to-1 ration of men to women at LATOC, at least according to what people identify as in there profiles. A lot of women don't put their gender though, so I suspect it is more like 3 or 3.5 to 1. It used to be 5.5 to 1. Then I appointed a lot of female mods and more ladies started showing up.
The net in general is about 70% guys and PO is mostly talked about on the net so right there you can expect more men than women just because the primary medium in which it is being discussed is populated by mostly men.
Most women don't say they're women online, especially on forums, so your numbers are probably badly skewed.
Joined: Dec 08, 2004 Posts: 1530 Location: Nez Perce Nation
Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 2:47 pm Post subject: Re: Men and women and disagreements about peak oil
BigTex wrote:
My theory is that the economic climate during the time period between ages 5 and 10 will have about a 66% determinant effect on one's predisposition to believe in doom as an adult, and the remaining 33% is determined by the economic climate during the parents' childhood.
Interesting idea, BT. This could be a factor but I believe there may be many factors including childhood experiences.
Where and when I grew up should have produced an entire city of doomer. Both my wife and I grew up in Richland, WA. This is the town that borders the Hanford Nuclear Reservation where plutonium was created for nukes. All through our grade school years from 1955 until 1962 we played "duck and cover", that is until the bomb yields got so high that no manner of ducking could save you from being fried, then it was "whoopee, we're all gonna die!". We were ground zero and it had a profound effect on everybody but especially the kids. Both myself and Lumpster are big time doomers and have been our entire lives. _________________ "Modern Agriculture is the use of land to convert petroleum into food."
-- Albert Bartlett
"It will be a dark time. But for those who survive, I suspect it will be rather exciting."
-- James Lovelock
Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 4:41 pm Post subject: Re: Men and women and disagreements about peak oil
Lesbians interested in PO . . .
Hmm.
This definitely gives me ideas for my bunker . . . _________________ Massive Human Dieoff must occur as a result of Peak Oil. Many more than half will die. It will occur everywhere, including where you live. If you fail to recognize this, then your odds of living move toward the "going to die" group.
Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 4:42 pm Post subject: Re: Men and women and disagreements about peak oil
On a serious note,
some link to some site says 64% of gamers on line are women?
Hah.
If you believe that, check out the thread on using water for fuel. _________________ Massive Human Dieoff must occur as a result of Peak Oil. Many more than half will die. It will occur everywhere, including where you live. If you fail to recognize this, then your odds of living move toward the "going to die" group.
Joined: Aug 03, 2006 Posts: 4054 Location: Gathering
Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 5:00 pm Post subject: Re: Men and women and disagreements about peak oil
RedStateGreen wrote:
BigTex wrote:
I have a theory about a person's predisposition to believe in doom scenarios, and it has to do with the years of a person's life between ages 5 and 10, along with the age of the parents.
My theory is that the economic climate during the time period between ages 5 and 10 will have about a 66% determinant effect on one's predisposition to believe in doom as an adult, and the remaining 33% is determined by the economic climate during the parents' childhood.
For me, the doom stars are in almost perfect alignment.
I was age 5-10 in 1975-1980, a truly depressing and doomalicious period.
I pictured you older than that.
Like how old?
Does calling myself BigTex make you visualize a large person?
I think you posted a photo of yourself, so I don't have to wonder about "the woman behind the rake." _________________
Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 5:00 pm Post subject: Re: Men and women and disagreements about peak oil
Ludi wrote:
AlwaysThere wrote:
I guess I have a question: Do we live in a happy society? 40% of the adult population is consuming and/or addicted to some form of drug, that does not seem to happy to me. A good old fashion depression will be good for the people in this country.
I'm not sure more stress will be good for people. People are on drugs mainly because they feel stress. This is mostly the bad stress of inactivity, noise, crowding, emotional isolation, and worry. If a "good old fashion depression" can help people, it will be because they have found a way to get more physical activity, community, and mental stimulation of problem solving. Simply falling on hard times won't in itself help people, in my opinion.
Our society by it's capitalistic nature is isolative Ludi. People are depressed because they are coveting something they do not have and feeling sorry for themselves.
A rich man has many problems, a hungry man has one.
Joined: Aug 03, 2006 Posts: 4054 Location: Gathering
Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 5:20 pm Post subject: Re: Men and women and disagreements about peak oil
RedStateGreen wrote:
And I pictured you in your fifties. Most younger guys aren't into Elvis as much as you seem to be.
Sorry about that ...
Elvis died when I was 7. The memory of the gloom of that day was seared into my memory forever. I was already in the middle of my age 5-10 doomer indoctrination, and then THAT had to happen.
It was the saddest day in America that I can remember, other than 9/11. Oklahoma City bombing and Challenger explosion are next on the list. When Reagan was shot I don't remember it being that big a deal because it was reported as not being as serious as it actually was. He had only been in office about six weeks too, so it wasn't like people had gotten that used to him being around yet either.
John Lennon getting killed didn't register with me that much. I don't know why.
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