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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 5:51 am    Post subject: What to study at Uni? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Hi, im trying to decide what to study at university, I am very interested in computers and know alot about them so it was an obvious option for me to study a computer related course, but i've recently discovered peakoil and i think that the demand for IT specialists will be much smaller in the future.

I've been considering studying something else like mechanical/electrical engineering.

Do you guys think there will still be IT jobs available in the future?
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 7:50 am    Post subject: Re: What to study at Uni? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Hello Evan, I myself am going into my third year of a Computer Science degree. If i was in your position i would be going into mechanical engineering, indeed thats what i plan to do informally after University and getting an IT job. Being able to build someone a wind powered mechanical water pump will be a very desirable skill in the future.

Also don't make the same mistake i have in going to a University in a large city, try to go somewhere out the way a bit so you can learn some useful countryside skills.

I don't want to tell you not to do a Computer Science degree, just that you can still enjoy computers as a hobby for a while yet.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 8:02 am    Post subject: Re: What to study at Uni? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Major in Mechanical Engineering with a minor in Agronomy.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 8:48 am    Post subject: Re: What to study at Uni? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I'm not sure if this would fall under CS or EE but one of the two could be very useful in an energy-poor world. We'll still be getting energy but just not as much which means we'll have to be more efficient with the energy that we do capture from wind, solar, etc. One of the ways to do this is computers which can compute the optimum conditions which we need for maximum energy output, storage, use, etc.

I'm just saying, don't completely discount CS as a job but I wouldn't expect to be living as a tech for large corporations for much longer. There will be a need for computer whizzes for other things though.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 8:58 am    Post subject: Re: What to study at Uni? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

get into the medical industry... we are going to need a lot of doctors shortly... im going to get into neurobiochemical research or neuroscience personally.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 9:04 am    Post subject: Re: What to study at Uni? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Thanks for the replies guys.

I'm still only 16 but next year will be my last year at school and i have to start thinking about university. I will graduate in 2012.

Mechanical engineering looks interesting and valuable but i feel i am more prepared for CS, I currently make about $15 an hour doing freelance web-programming which i consider REAL easy money.

I'm thinking about studying in Portsmouth, which is very attractive to me because it is a pretty small city (around 120,000 i think) but everything is very close together, so you can get to everywhere within a short walk.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 9:08 am    Post subject: Re: What to study at Uni? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Mincan wrote:
get into the medical industry... we are going to need a lot of doctors shortly... im going to get into neurobiochemical research or neuroscience personally.


Thats not for me, i'm more of a maths/science (excluding biology) kinda person.

The more and more i think about i feel that mechanical engineering would be better.

I also don't plan on going to a very prestigious university, especially if i study engineering, I want to go to uni to be educated and to learn a skill, not to get a piece of paper.

And if the economy still hasn't collapsed by the time i graduate in 2012 i can still go back into IT, since there are many IT jobs that don't necessarily require an IT-based degree.

EDIT: Has anybody here studied mechanical eng. what did you think about it?
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 9:44 am    Post subject: Re: What to study at Uni? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

You guys do realize that the PC industry was founded in the 70's during the last oil shocks, right? The Apple II in the late 70's had been introduced and by 1980 had become wildly popular, making it the first successful PC.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 10:05 am    Post subject: Re: What to study at Uni? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

outcast wrote:
You guys do realize that the PC industry was founded in the 70's during the last oil shocks, right? The Apple II in the late 70's had been introduced and by 1980 had become wildly popular, making it the first successful PC.


Yes, i have no doubt computers will still be in use 20 years from now. I just think that the businesses formed around the use of computers will die-off pretty fast. In the future we will use computers for the most necessary applications, certainly the computer game industry will be ruined. That means there will be a huge amount of programmers and computer-specialists who are unemployed which will means much more competition for IT jobs, as if there isn't enough already.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 10:39 am    Post subject: Re: What to study at Uni? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I'm over 50, in the computer programming business, but I have studied various engineering/science fields.

1. You do NOT need a CS degree to work in software development/programming.

2. Learn useful McGyvor type skills: chemistry/physics/earth sciences/biology/agronomy, etc.

So, make money with CS, but learn about the real world.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 10:56 am    Post subject: Re: What to study at Uni? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Evan wrote:
I'm still only 16 but next year will be my last year at school and i have to start thinking about university.


Evan, you're way ahead of the game for a 16-yr-old (most of whom have no clue about peak oil).

I hope you keep us posted on your decisions!

Evan wrote:
I will graduate in 2012


I definitely agree with the suggestion that you learn "McGyvor type skills" ...... when 2012 rolls around, you'll need those skills the most!
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 11:18 am    Post subject: Re: What to study at Uni? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Evan wrote:
Hi, im trying to decide what to study at university, I am very interested in computers and know alot about them so it was an obvious option for me to study a computer related course, but i've recently discovered peakoil and i think that the demand for IT specialists will be much smaller in the future.

I've been considering studying something else like mechanical/electrical engineering.

Do you guys think there will still be IT jobs available in the future?


Don't know about IT jobs...but here is my study list. Do as Thoreau did. He said he had as many professions as fingers.


Book and DVD list



The Alcohol Fuel Handbook / by Lynn Ellen Doxon.
by Doxon, Lynn Ellen

Art of Nothing
An excellent series of DVD's showcasing primitive skills:
http://www.hopspress.com/Videos/Art_of_Nothing.htm

Barnyard In Your Backyard
edited by Gail Damerow

Basic Essentials. Edible Wild Plants & Useful Herbs
by Meuninck, Jim

Beyond Civilization: humanity's next great adventure
by Quinn, Daniel

Beyond Oil: the view from Hubbert's Peak
by Deffeyes, Kenneth S.
http://www.princeton.edu/hubbert/

The Biodiesel Handbook
by Gerhard Knothe

Bowling Alone: the collapse and revival of American community
by Putnam, Robert D.

The Bread Builders:hearth loaves and masonry ovens
by Wing, Daniel

Breathe No Evil
Safe-Tek Publishers

Brown's Second Alcohol Fuel Cookbook.
by Brown, Michael Halsey

Build a Root Cellar & Storm Shelter
by Hobson, Phyllis

Bushcraft
by Mors Kochanski
Great reference on primitive wood skills.

The Can Opener Gourmet
by Karr, Laura

The Citizen-Powered Energy Handbook: community solutions to a global crisis
by Greg Pahl
http://www.chelseagreen.com/2007/items/citizenpowered

Collapse
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collapse_(book

The Coming Economic Collapse - how you can thrive when oil costs $200 a barrel
by Leeb, Stephen

The Complete Book of Dutch Oven Cooking
by Fears, J. Wayne

The Complete Book of Fire: building campfires for warmth, light, cooking, and survival
by Tilton, Buck

The Complete Book of Survival
by Stahlberg, Rainer
An outstanding all encompassing guide to the philosophy of surviving - Highly Recommended.

The Complete Guide to Edible Wild Plants
by Lyle, Katie Letcher

Country Wisdom & Know-how
Numerous authors and publishers...all contain worthwhile information.
http://www.amazon.com/Country-Wisdom-Know-How-Editors-Publishings/dp/1579123686

Crossing the Rubicon: the decline of the American empire at the end of the age of oil
by Ruppert, Michael C.

A Crude Awakening - the oil crash
Lava Productions AG, Switzerland DVD
http://www.oilcrashmovie.com/

Dancing at Armageddon: Survivalism and Chaos in Modern Times
by Richard G. Mitchell Jr

Edible Wild plants
by Meuninck, James

Edible Wild Plants of Pennsylvania and Neighboring states
by Medve, Richard J.

Edible and Medicinal Plants of the West
Gregory L. Tilford
http://www.amazon.com/Edible-Medicinal-Plants-Gregory-Tilford/dp/0878423591

Emergency Preparedness. Awareness & Survival
DVD Apogee Communication, 2006 - Highly Recommended.
http://www.apogeevideo.com/emergency/emergency.htm

The End of Suburbia - oil depletion and the collapse of the American dream
by Greene, Gregory DVD
Don't miss the commentary. Lots of Canadian prejudice against the US as well as snobbery, but very worthwhile behind the scene info.
http://www.endofsuburbia.com/

Farming for Self-sufficiency
by John and Sally Seymour

Fed Up
http://www.amazon.com/Fed-Up-Angelo-Sacerdote/dp/B000CNGC6G

Field Guide to Edible Wild Plants of Eastern and Central North America
by Peterson, Lee.

First Aid for Dogs.
Various authors under related titles...First Aid for Cats...Horses...Pets....even Insects!

Four-Season Harvest:organic vegetables from your home garden all year long.
by Eliot Coleman

Going Local: creating self-reliant communities in a global age
by Shuman, Michael

Grit Magazine
http://www.grit.com/

Guns and Ammo Magazine

High Noon for Natural Gas: the new energy crisis
by Darley, Julian
http://www.highnoon.ws/

House on a Budget:making smart choices to build the home you want.
by Duo Dickinson

How to Dry Foods
by DeLong, Deanna.

Life after doomsday
by Bruce D. Clayton

The Long Emergency: surviving the converging catastrophes of the twenty-first century
by Kunstler, James Howard

Magic of Wheat Cookery
by Tyler, Lorraine Dilworth

Making Your Own Motor Fuel
by Fred Stetson

Master list of survival books:
http://www.survivalcenter.com/bookbs.html

Mother Earth Magazine
Al back issues available on CD ROM for nominal cost from:
http://www.motherearthnews.com/

Natural Home Heating: the complete guide to renewable energy options
by Pahl, Greg

Nutrition and well-being A to Z
Delores C.S. James editor

Oil Apocalypse
History channel DVD

The Oil Depletion Protocol : a plan to avert oil wars, terrorism and economic collapse
by Heinberg, Richard

The Omnivore's Dilemma
www.michaelpollan.com/omnivore.php

Pantry Cooking : quick and easy food storage recipes
by Robins, Laura

PDR for Herbal Medicines
by Medical Economics

Peak Oil Survival: preparation for life after gridcrash
by McBay, Aric

Powerdown: options and actions for a post-carbon world
by Heinberg, Richard

Primitive Living, Self-sufficiency, and Survival Skills : a field guide to primitive living skills
by Elpel, Thomas J.

The Renewable Energy Handbook:a guide to rural independence, off-grid and sustainable living
by William H. Kemp

Resource Wars: the new landscape of global conflict
by Klare, Michael T
http://www.amazon.com/Resource-Wars-Landscape-Conflict-Introduction/dp/0805055762

Root Cellaring : the simple no-processing way to store fruits and vegetables
by Bubel, Nancy./Bubel, Mike

Seed to Seed: seed saving techniques for the vegetable gardener
by Ashworth, Suzanne

Shelters, Shacks, and shanties: the classic guide to building wilderness shelters
by Beard, Daniel Carter

A Thousand Barrels a Second: the coming oil break point and the challenges facing an energy dependent world
by Tertzakian, Peter

Twilight in the Desert: the coming Saudi oil shock and the world economy
by Simmons, Matthew R.
Well written book examining 12 of the key Saudi oil fields.

U.S. Army combat skills handbook / Department of the Army.
Lyon's Press

Who Killed the Electric Car?
Sony Pictures Classics release
http://www.sonyclassics.com/whokilledtheelectriccar/

Zips, Pipes, And Pens: Arsenal Of Improvised Weapons
by J. David Truby

Zoom:the global race to fuel the car of the future
by Iain Carson and Vijay V. Vaitheeswaran.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 11:19 am    Post subject: Re: What to study at Uni? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Evan wrote:
Hi, im trying to decide what to study at university, I am very interested in computers and know alot about them so it was an obvious option for me to study a computer related course, but i've recently discovered peakoil and i think that the demand for IT specialists will be much smaller in the future.

I've been considering studying something else like mechanical/electrical engineering.

Do you guys think there will still be IT jobs available in the future?


Don't know about IT jobs...but here is my study list. Do as Thoreau did. He said he has as many profession as fingers.


Book and DVD list



The Alcohol Fuel Handbook / by Lynn Ellen Doxon.
by Doxon, Lynn Ellen

Art of Nothing
An excellent series of DVD's showcasing primitive skills:
http://www.hopspress.com/Videos/Art_of_Nothing.htm

Barnyard In Your Backyard
edited by Gail Damerow

Basic Essentials. Edible Wild Plants & Useful Herbs
by Meuninck, Jim

Beyond Civilization: humanity's next great adventure
by Quinn, Daniel

Beyond Oil: the view from Hubbert's Peak
by Deffeyes, Kenneth S.
http://www.princeton.edu/hubbert/

The Biodiesel Handbook
by Gerhard Knothe

Bowling Alone: the collapse and revival of American community
by Putnam, Robert D.

The Bread Builders:hearth loaves and masonry ovens
by Wing, Daniel

Breathe No Evil
Safe-Tek Publishers

Brown's Second Alcohol Fuel Cookbook.
by Brown, Michael Halsey

Build a Root Cellar & Storm Shelter
by Hobson, Phyllis

Bushcraft
by Mors Kochanski
Great reference on primitive wood skills.

The Can Opener Gourmet
by Karr, Laura

The Citizen-Powered Energy Handbook: community solutions to a global crisis
by Greg Pahl
http://www.chelseagreen.com/2007/items/citizenpowered

Collapse
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collapse_(book

The Coming Economic Collapse - how you can thrive when oil costs $200 a barrel
by Leeb, Stephen

The Complete Book of Dutch Oven Cooking
by Fears, J. Wayne

The Complete Book of Fire: building campfires for warmth, light, cooking, and survival
by Tilton, Buck

The Complete Book of Survival
by Stahlberg, Rainer
An outstanding all encompassing guide to the philosophy of surviving - Highly Recommended.

The Complete Guide to Edible Wild Plants
by Lyle, Katie Letcher

Country Wisdom & Know-how
Numerous authors and publishers...all contain worthwhile information.
http://www.amazon.com/Country-Wisdom-Know-How-Editors-Publishings/dp/1579123686

Crossing the Rubicon: the decline of the American empire at the end of the age of oil
by Ruppert, Michael C.

A Crude Awakening - the oil crash
Lava Productions AG, Switzerland DVD
http://www.oilcrashmovie.com/

Dancing at Armageddon: Survivalism and Chaos in Modern Times
by Richard G. Mitchell Jr

Edible Wild plants
by Meuninck, James

Edible Wild Plants of Pennsylvania and Neighboring states
by Medve, Richard J.

Edible and Medicinal Plants of the West
Gregory L. Tilford
http://www.amazon.com/Edible-Medicinal-Plants-Gregory-Tilford/dp/0878423591

Emergency Preparedness. Awareness & Survival
DVD Apogee Communication, 2006 - Highly Recommended.
http://www.apogeevideo.com/emergency/emergency.htm

The End of Suburbia - oil depletion and the collapse of the American dream
by Greene, Gregory DVD
Don't miss the commentary. Lots of Canadian prejudice against the US as well as snobbery, but very worthwhile behind the scene info.
http://www.endofsuburbia.com/

Farming for Self-sufficiency
by John and Sally Seymour

Fed Up
http://www.amazon.com/Fed-Up-Angelo-Sacerdote/dp/B000CNGC6G

Field Guide to Edible Wild Plants of Eastern and Central North America
by Peterson, Lee.

First Aid for Dogs.
Various authors under related titles...First Aid for Cats...Horses...Pets....even Insects!

Four-Season Harvest:organic vegetables from your home garden all year long.
by Eliot Coleman

Going Local: creating self-reliant communities in a global age
by Shuman, Michael

Grit Magazine
http://www.grit.com/

Guns and Ammo Magazine

High Noon for Natural Gas: the new energy crisis
by Darley, Julian
http://www.highnoon.ws/

House on a Budget:making smart choices to build the home you want.
by Duo Dickinson

How to Dry Foods
by DeLong, Deanna.

Life after doomsday
by Bruce D. Clayton

The Long Emergency: surviving the converging catastrophes of the twenty-first century
by Kunstler, James Howard

Magic of Wheat Cookery
by Tyler, Lorraine Dilworth

Making Your Own Motor Fuel
by Fred Stetson

Master list of survival books:
http://www.survivalcenter.com/bookbs.html

Mother Earth Magazine
Al back issues available on CD ROM for nominal cost from:
http://www.motherearthnews.com/

Natural Home Heating: the complete guide to renewable energy options
by Pahl, Greg

Nutrition and well-being A to Z
Delores C.S. James editor

Oil Apocalypse
History channel DVD

The Oil Depletion Protocol : a plan to avert oil wars, terrorism and economic collapse
by Heinberg, Richard

The Omnivore's Dilemma
www.michaelpollan.com/omnivore.php

Pantry Cooking : quick and easy food storage recipes
by Robins, Laura

PDR for Herbal Medicines
by Medical Economics

Peak Oil Survival: preparation for life after gridcrash
by McBay, Aric

Powerdown: options and actions for a post-carbon world
by Heinberg, Richard

Primitive Living, Self-sufficiency, and Survival Skills : a field guide to primitive living skills
by Elpel, Thomas J.

The Renewable Energy Handbook:a guide to rural independence, off-grid and sustainable living
by William H. Kemp

Resource Wars: the new landscape of global conflict
by Klare, Michael T
http://www.amazon.com/Resource-Wars-Landscape-Conflict-Introduction/dp/0805055762

Root Cellaring : the simple no-processing way to store fruits and vegetables
by Bubel, Nancy./Bubel, Mike

Seed to Seed: seed saving techniques for the vegetable gardener
by Ashworth, Suzanne

Shelters, Shacks, and shanties: the classic guide to building wilderness shelters
by Beard, Daniel Carter

A Thousand Barrels a Second: the coming oil break point and the challenges facing an energy dependent world
by Tertzakian, Peter

Twilight in the Desert: the coming Saudi oil shock and the world economy
by Simmons, Matthew R.
Well written book examining 12 of the key Saudi oil fields.

U.S. Army combat skills handbook / Department of the Army.
Lyon's Press

Who Killed the Electric Car?
Sony Pictures Classics release
http://www.sonyclassics.com/whokilledtheelectriccar/

Zips, Pipes, And Pens: Arsenal Of Improvised Weapons
by J. David Truby

Zoom:the global race to fuel the car of the future
by Iain Carson and Vijay V. Vaitheeswaran.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 2:09 pm    Post subject: Re: What to study at Uni? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

It is great that you are thinking about the future at 16. My first degree is Mechanical Engineering and that degree will definitely help you to understand how the physical world works.

However, there is a lot to the world that Mechanical Engineering will not teach you. Over the years I've read lots of books (I also have a master's degree in business and a Ph.D. in business). Of all the books I think you could possibly read at your age, here is the one I think would help you the most.

http://www.amazon.com/Your-Magic-Power-be-Rich/dp/1585425559/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1212346878&sr=8-1

I know you will look at that and think, "what in the hell is that book?" Don't worry, "Rich" in the book is not wealth, it is accomplishing what you want to accomplish in life. I'm 47 now and I dearly wish I would have read that book when I was 16.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 2:57 pm    Post subject: Re: What to study at Uni? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

@jedinvest
you're idea of making money with computers but learning about the real world is very appealing to me and is probably what ill end up doing if things work out.

@doomwarrior
always good to hear im ahead of the game, lol. I've never watched a Mcgyver episode, but i think you're suggesting being a jack of all trades?

@allenwrench
thanks for the list, ill definitely look into some of those although most of them seem to be geared towards living in a mad-max type world where you'll have to escape to the country side and live off the land to live? That also seems to be a commonly shared opinion of people on this forum, im not quite sure that living that kind of lifestyle would be very effective.

@treefarmer
How hard did you find youre mechanical engineering degree? Were there any real abstract concepts(im thinking physics)? or were the phsyics/maths mostly applied to the real world?

Also, ill definitely see if i can get a hold of that book. I always like to get 'i wish i would have _____ when i was youre age' advice.
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