I think this is the beginnings of an economy based on perpetual growth and fossil fuel energy running headlong into geological energy constraints. Basically I see an undulatory downward path for the rest of my life. From here out, I think any rallies in our economic condition are going to be met with spiking commodity prices that knock us right back down.
Will PO lead to a return to the single income family?
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I like pie
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threadbear Expert
Joined: Jan 22, 2005 Posts: 7752
Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 5:25 pm Post subject: Re: PO == Single income family?
WildRose wrote:
cube wrote:
BTW I like pie. However I was never fortunate enough to have a home cooked pie so I cannot reminisce about something I never had.
How about homemade chocolate chip cookies or banana bread? Personally, I'd like to have more time to do that. Better be careful what I wish for!
Back to the topic, I think a lot of jobs will be created in the community, as a way of meeting the needs of the people living there. Seniors on fixed incomes will likely stay in their own homes longer and require help with home repairs, yard work, snow shoveling, errands, etc. Every community needs a few hair stylists, tutors, people to make meals, nurses and holistic medicine experts, people who can do bicycle and small engine repairs and maintenance.
I don't think anyone will make a lot of money at these jobs, but enough to put food on the table, or they may be of value for barter. Disposable income will likely be a thing of the past for most families.
Imagine the changes that would take place if every family only bought what they could afford with the dollars they earn - we'd be watching our economy shrink, big time.
Great points, WildRose,
The help the elderly need won't be mediated by paid bureaucrats working for govt. agencies (in the U.S.) as counties cut back on services due to shrinking tax base. The able elderly, instead of going to Florida, have to niche themselves in by reciprocating services, like child care, baking pies!, (oh no, there it is again!) and tutoring etc... Everyone has to pitch in, if they can, to survive.
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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 5:29 pm Post subject: Re: PO == Single income family?
Hey, I'm already there! Pretty much a single income family since the local university closed my wife's dept. Needless to say I'm fighting some strong economic headwinds. Both the wife and I have absolutely no idea of what we want to do with the rest of our lives but we have mad skills for a post peak world. So it goes....
Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 5:46 pm Post subject: Re: PO == Single income family?
The lost tribe they just found in the Amazon is the prefect example of the worst case. Totally savage, at substance levels, shooting arrows at the helicopter. Yes they survived, yes the ones still alive were healthy, but they are like dogs. They cannot conceive of anything out side of their own reality. And what they do see, they try and kill. That is humans without oil. We can do better in the decline, maybe. _________________ HOLDING THE CENTER
Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 5:47 pm Post subject: Re: PO == Single income family?
The lost tribe they just found in the Amazon is the prefect example of the worst case. Totally savage, at substance levels, shooting arrows at the helicopter. Yes they survived, yes the ones still alive were healthy, but they are like dogs. They cannot conceive of anything out side of their own reality. And what they do see, they try and kill. That is humans without oil. We can do better in the decline, maybe. _________________ HOLDING THE CENTER
Joined: Apr 12, 2007 Posts: 1185 Location: Central NC
Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 6:19 pm Post subject: Re: PO == Single income family?
vetusfirma wrote:
The lost tribe they just found in the Amazon is the prefect example of the worst case. Totally savage, at substance levels, shooting arrows at the helicopter. Yes they survived, yes the ones still alive were healthy, but they are like dogs. They cannot conceive of anything out side of their own reality. And what they do see, they try and kill. That is humans without oil. We can do better in the decline, maybe.
"The lost tribe they just found on Planet Earth is the perfect example of the worst case. Totally savage, over-consumption of finite resources, shooting nuclear tipped missiles at our impregnable force-field protected trans-galactic super ship. Yes they survived, yes the ones still alive were healthy, but they are like dogs. They cannot conceive of anything outside of their own pitiful reality. And what they do see they drive to extinction in the name of profit and non-negotiable lifestyle. That is humans with oil. We can do better on the next planet, undoubtedly.
There vestus, fixed it for you.
on further reflection edited to add: you are one sorry little man.
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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 7:06 pm Post subject: Re: PO == Single income family?
vetusfirma wrote:
They cannot conceive of anything out side of their own reality.
Nice!
They think we are their inferiors, that's what they think.
I read fairly extensively on another 'undiscovered' amazonian tribe, the Yanamamo, and they were certainly unpleasant, but hardly savages as you would describe them. Their culture is as rich and developed as any other peoples.
You or I wouldn't last a week in their world, whether they attacked and killed us or not.
Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 9:59 pm Post subject: Re: PO == Single income family?
vetusfirma wrote:
The lost tribe they just found in the Amazon is the prefect example of the worst case. Totally savage, at substance levels, shooting arrows at the helicopter. Yes they survived, yes the ones still alive were healthy, but they are like dogs. They cannot conceive of anything out side of their own reality. And what they do see, they try and kill. That is humans without oil. We can do better in the decline, maybe.
savages? dogs? please. they have a culture, and a society--it may be different, but it's there. and it's more sustainable than yours.
the case can be made that they're better off than you and i are right now.
can't conceive of anything outside their reality? react violently and w/fear to the unknown? how is that any different from humanity in general, especially the so-called civilized ones?
we can do better in the decline? we can do a lot worse! it's my tentative opinion that civilized men tend to follow the hobbesian arc under stress much more readily than the so-called savages.
Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 1:44 am Post subject: Re: PO == Single income family?
FoolYap wrote:
MrBill wrote:
Sadly to say, only my grandma's and my mom's who know how to properly do pie crust and make a delicious pie. Apple, rhubarb, saskatoon, pumpkin or cream it doesn't matter what the filling is, but the pie crust has to be light and flaky.
I am guessing they used lard in their crust?
--Steve
Crisco. We cannot get it here in Cyprus. Hard to find lard. They cook with butter here, and it is not the same thing. We made homemade jam the other day with the fresh strawberries in season. Nice. However, requires huge amounts of store-bought sugar, so no cheaper in the end than buying jam from the grocery store. It just tastes better and those cooking, baking and canning skills need to be honed and retained as well as passed from generation to generation. Homemade just tastes better! ; - )) _________________ The organized state is a wonderful invention whereby everyone can live at someone else's expense.
Joined: Sep 24, 2007 Posts: 2584 Location: third from the sun
Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 11:42 pm Post subject: Re: PO == Single income family?
threadbear wrote:
vetusfirma wrote:
They cannot conceive of anything out side of their own reality. And what they do see, they try to kill .
A quick look at your posts indicates you have much in common with these people, as most neo-conservatives do.
Vetus seems to be a great example of someone with a very limited take on reality. What irony that he imagines himself to be so smart. _________________ only the paranoid survive
Joined: Sep 29, 2004 Posts: 2330 Location: Pennsylvania, USA
Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 7:53 am Post subject: Re: PO == Single income family?
The Amish make great pies, lard and all. That's the great thing about living within close proximity to them. Everyone works in an Amish family; no "single income." _________________ "That's the problem with mercy, kid... It just ain't professional" - Fast Eddie, The Color of Money
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