Runaway Global Warming - Closer that you think

Cid_Yama

Taoism is not a religion. It is more an approach to life.

There are many translalations of the Tao Te Ching - The man in Harmony with the Tao does nothing, yet nothing remains undone.

http://www.wayist.org/ttc%20compared/chap38.htm

Kind of like like Yoda

No, try not. Do or do not...there is no try.

It really all boils down to,

You like it or you don't. You do what you do. That is the way of personal integrity.

Oughts and ought nots, shoulds and should nots are intended to steer you from the path. Know your own self.
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Cid_Yama

The Global Warming deniers are already changing their tune. Just here on these threads they are already changing the emphasis to it's not their fault from it's not happening.

k_semler wrote:
Furthermore, even if the arctic ice cap were to completely vanish,

Mankind did not create the problem,

We won't get peace from these idiots, even when the ice cap is gone. They will never admit they were wrong, they'll just keep pretending the question was something else.

I'm just waiting for one them to claim they never said global warming wasn't happening.

The Right will never admit they're wrong

Partisan conservatives pooh-pooh peak oil (and global warming) because they think that to concede that these challenges are real and must be confronted is to acknowledge that greed is not always good, and that free market capitalism must be restrained, or at least tinkered with substantially. Peak oil and climate change are fronts in the culture wars, and to some conservatives, watching the price of oil rise as the Arctic ice melts, it might feel like being in Germany at the close of World War II, with the Russians advancing on one front while U.S.-led forces come from the other. The propositions that cheap oil is running out and the world is getting hotter -- as a result of our own activities -- threaten a whole way of life. The very idea that dirty Gaia-worshipping hippies might be right is absolute anathema.

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I would like to see some crimes-against-humanity trials before this is all over. Something on the scale of Nuremberg. Burning at the stake over a low fire would be a fitting form of execution.
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keehah

Cid_Yama

Models and geophysical data indicate that large areas of the Arctic shelves, as a result of their exposure during the Last Glacial Maximum, are thought to be almost entirely underlain by subsea permafrost from the coastline down to a water depth of about 100 meters. Subsea permafrost is still poorly understood, due mainly to the lack of direct observations. However, it is known to contain gas hydrates, a solid phase composed of water and gases that formed under low-temperature, high-pressure conditions. Large volumes of methane in gas hydrate form can be stored within or below the subsea permafrost, and the stability of this gas hydrate zone is sustained by the existence of permafrost. Degradation of subsea permafrost and the consequent destabilization of gas hydrates could significantly if not dramatically increase the flux of methane, a potent greenhouse gas, to the atmosphere.

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Didn't know large areas of subsea methane in the arctic was formed when not submerged and is very shallow. This would mean higher instability for large areas of methane deposits in the arctic.
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alokin · Intermediate Crude Joined: Aug 24, 2007 Posts: 701

I still hope that if the industrial society crashes soon, Global Warming would be contented to a lower level. But: it's a hope, nothing scientific.

Cid_Yama

Arctic Permafrost Map

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dohboi · Light Sweet Crude Joined: Dec 05, 2005 Posts: 1158

If last year's mega-melt weren't enough, we now seem to be tracking along or slightly ahead of that record. See the right end of the long "tale of the tape" graph at the Cryosphere Today site, updated daily, and be sure to enlarge it. Take a paper and measure out this year and compare it with last year. We're falling off the cliff, just as we did last year at about this time.

tale of the tape

Run away global warming does seem to be rolling along. Best wishes to all.

Cid_Yama

Dohboi,

You asked what the outcome of an Ice Free Arctic might be. Try Methane Clathrate cascade begins.
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Homesteader

You will all be glad to know while driving to work earlier this week I came up with the only possible solution to get CO2 out of the atmosphere and stop global warming before 95% of the remaining organisms we have not already driven to extinction go extinct.

It is at once simple yet elegant. The $$$ invested are minimal. In fact we will save lots of money.

Ready for it?

Stop cutting trees and plowing fields. That is the big concept. The rest is details.

Only large scale agriculture will be perennials, food producing bushes and trees and the annuals that are able to reseed naturally.

Food animals restricted to what can be grown by natural gazing/foraging. Cutting hay is okay to winter over animals, but no crops for feed, after all this is an emergency of truly cataclysmic proportions.

No cutting, no tillage. Mining okay but must be done by hand.

Sure some discomfort and dieoff is unavoidable, but the alternative is the yawing abyss of eternal darkness.

I got the idea after some famous scientist who did something important in the 1970s suggested we put up 65,000,000 plastic trees with removable carbon filters. Technology isn't going to save us, any dolt should be able to see that.

Our only chance is to fight fire with green living photosynthesizing naturally carbon sequestering plants. Our only chance. Only by using this simple yet ingenious world wide natural carbon sequestration system will the planet be saved.

GLPNCSP Systems is copywrited, trademarked and patented by Mother Nature. Do not fool with Mother Nature right now, it is that time of the millennia and she is in a real bitchy mood.

dohboi · Light Sweet Crude Joined: Dec 05, 2005 Posts: 1158

"large scale agriculture will be perennials"

Wes Jackson and his colleagues have been working for years on developing perennial grain crops for many of the reasons you state. I haven't checked lately to see how close they're getting.

May I add one more suggestion to you excellent idea: stop un-sequestering the carbon that is already locked deep in the ground, far away from the atmosphere in the form of oil, gas and coal.

MacG · Light Sweet Crude Joined: Jun 04, 2005 Posts: 1169

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