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Muckingfess
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 12:28 pm    Post subject: Re: [Location] Urban/Suburban Transition Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

OK, I'm a newbie here. I have been reading for a couple of days and this forum is out of sight! My eyes are worn out.

I'm an old man, disabled, and living in a 1 bedroom apt. in a small complex. I drive about 1000 miles a year, grocery store and doctors with the occasional trip to a local poker game to augment income. Needles to say, if I keep the gas tank full it would last a couple of months.

As I won't be able to bug out when TSHF, I have made a few preparations to stay in town.

I have managed to store 3 months food, an adequate arsenal for defense and the ability to use it, a small generator to power the fridge and medical equipment in emergencies, and an outdoor grill for cooking. I have a rotating 3 months supply of prescriptions.

I'm not on a bus line or near a freeway, so the "zombie hordes" will not get to me for a while. I think I've done about all I can. Not sure what the point would be to do a lot more. Any suggestions?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 12:02 pm    Post subject: Re: [Location] Urban/Suburban Transition Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Hey Folks, not much action in the thread lately.

Is no one in an urban or suburban locale doing anything?


Ha! Pops clicked on the wrong page again!

Carry on...

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 5:10 pm    Post subject: Re: [Location] Urban/Suburban Transition Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Muckingfess wrote:
Any suggestions?


Do you have any friends or family that you can pool resources with in the event of hard(er) times?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 6:02 pm    Post subject: Re: [Location] Urban/Suburban Transition Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Not yet. My daughter may be moving back up here this fall. She still is living with my ex and they are thinking about it as the cost of living is cheaper than in Florida. I can hope, I guess.

My neighbors in the complex will mostly be moving back to Mexico when the economy collapses, so there will be a lot of vacancies. With the right people, this could be an easily defendable complex. Maybe I'll get luckey and some PO'ers will move in.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 8:25 am    Post subject: Re: [Location] Urban/Suburban Transition Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Washington Post:

Lessons of Arlington's Urban Development Needn't Be Just History

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Arlington leaders were predicting, some would say gambling, that the extra cost of running the line underground and building those five stations would someday yield big returns. They expected that billions of dollars of private real estate investment would be attracted to the Rosslyn-Ballston corridor, in turn producing tens of thousands of new jobs, as well as new dwellings, and pulling in new residents, plus many millions of dollars in new tax revenue.

Yet in the 1960s, Arlington's leaders had no crystal ball. They simply had faith that properly located rail transit would catalyze the revitalization of what was then a suburban strip of spotty, low-density commercial properties located minutes from downtown Washington.

They also understood that building rail transit entails more than providing transportation. It is an integral part of land-use planning and sustainable growth policy. It affects the location, character and quality of development.


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The Rosslyn-Ballston corridor is a work in progress, although millions of square feet of buildings already have been developed, mostly since the 1980s. Its urban design is not flawless, and much of its architecture is less than exemplary.

But the corridor functions well. It offers pedestrian-friendly sidewalks, on- and off-street bicycle lanes, plazas and mini-parks. It takes less than 10 minutes to walk between any two adjacent Metro nodes on the corridor -- Rosslyn, Court House, Clarendon, Virginia Square and Ballston. People there can get along without cars.


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Why does visionary planning seem to be a thing of the past? Can America no longer afford to undertake farsighted initiatives such as creating the Interstate Highway System in the 1950s or Metro in the 1960s?

We can afford such investments but are no longer willing to make them.

If current attitudes concerning taxation and spending policies persist, we will never make essential public investments. What America needs is an attitude transplant, which may happen only when gasoline costs $10 per gallon and the planet's polar ice disappears. Perhaps then we will remember and embrace the decades-old lesson that Arlington teaches.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 3:14 pm    Post subject: Re: [Location] Urban/Suburban Transition Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

vetusfirma wrote:
Any given suburb will survive if there is an economic reason for it to continue to exist. Look back in history. Small towns were either farming centers where they milled/stored grains, shipped livestock and had vets, doc’s and repair parts for farming. Others were company or factory towns, which had jobs, and produced valuable goods. If there is no economic value, the subrubs will just be death camps. You will live for awhile, then leave or die. The areas in Argentina that survived had an economic value, they produced something others wanted or needed. If you live close to an ammunition plant, you will live in an area with a high value, and it will survive and even thrive. It will have jobs in many areas, and government will not let anything interfere with production.

Any suburb that is a separate city and has its own infrastructure, sewer, water and even electricity, will survive quite well if it has some way to create economic value in the new reality. A light metalworking business that can be converted to produce stills and steam boilers will have high value. It will create enough wealth to sustain 10 times as many people as actually work at the plant.


Very good points. We live in an area that is of high importance to a certain segment of society and I feel pretty secure.

I have an idea for those with limited garden space. If you feel comfortable with your neighbors, ask them about renting good planting space from them. I see large unused lots often and when I'm ready to expand, I will do this. You could offer to plant and maintain fruit trees and share the harvest, if they didn't mind something permanent, or plant and share potatoes and such if they would rather it be temporary. It can't hurt to ask, and maybe gain allies.
Also, check out the numerous gardening threads here, I'm sure there are many more ideas there.

One more: If you have no community garden nearby, talk to your local Parks Dept. about starting one. I don't know much about how this works, but I'm sure an online search would help if it's of any interest.
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