Joined: May 18, 2006 Posts: 4381 Location: Minneapolis, MN
Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 6:34 pm Post subject: Re: Armageddon date established - Book of Revelation (2060)
DomusAlbion wrote:
Ludi wrote:
Pops wrote:
Yea it was a redundant question, just wondering why it was at PO and not AC (Armageddon Central)?
Some people think PO is Armageddon Central.
It would be nice if they reevaluated their thinking on that. PO needs all its bandwidth for helping others learn about PO and how to mitigate the problems associated with the many changes coming.
My brain don't think that way. Others here, I'm sure thinkfeel the same way I do. Get it?
Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 6:58 pm Post subject: Re: Armageddon date established - Book of Revelation (2060)
By that time I'll be 80.
Frankly, if I'm not dead by 2050, I'll probably pull a Hemmingway. I'm not one of these psychos that wants to live to be 150 or some crazy number.
Do you have any idea the number of pills, pains, and fake parts the average person needs to hit 80? Noooooooooooo spank you. I have no desire to be toddling around in a diaper with my own great-grandkids, slowly losing my mind to dementia.
Wearing a diaper and drooling is cute at age 12months....at 960 months....less so...
Joined: May 07, 2007 Posts: 434 Location: Adelaide, South Australia
Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 8:02 pm Post subject: Re: Armageddon date established - Book of Revelation (2060)
charliebrownout wrote:
By that time I'll be 80.
Frankly, if I'm not dead by 2050, I'll probably pull a Hemmingway. I'm not one of these psychos that wants to live to be 150 or some crazy number.
Do you have any idea the number of pills, pains, and fake parts the average person needs to hit 80? Noooooooooooo spank you. I have no desire to be toddling around in a diaper with my own great-grandkids, slowly losing my mind to dementia.
Wearing a diaper and drooling is cute at age 12months....at 960 months....less so...
At any rate: HAVE FUN IN 2060!
If TSHTF like many believe it will, then you won't have to worry about getting anywhere NEAR 80. _________________ "That the cream cannot help but always rise up to the top, well I say, <censored by peakoil.com> floats"
Joined: May 06, 2006 Posts: 873 Location: Tustin, CA
Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 3:31 pm Post subject: Re: Armageddon date established - Book of Revelation (2060)
vision-master wrote:
Quote:
Even in Halley's day they made a definite distinction between ASTRONOMY-the study of the motions and properties of celestial opjects; and ASTROLOGY-how planets (and they only knew of 5 of them in Newton's day) somehow effected human events.
Oh?
It is a fact that the early Sumerians knew of the solar system. They knew that the solar system was made up of the Sun –a sphere- (Apsu) at its center and was circled by spherical celestial bodies. They knew of Mercury (Mummu), Venus (Lahamu), Earth (Ki), the Moon (Kingu), Mars (Lahmu), Jupiter (Kishar), Saturn (Anshar), Uranus (Anu), Neptune (Ea), Pluto (Gaga) and a mysterious celestial body known as Marduk or Nibiru.
Quote me source on a pre-William Hershel (discoverer of Uranus 1781) knowledge of the existence of the planets Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto (Dwarf Planet as it is now called) from a refereed scientific journal,and I'll take your statement seriously.
Refer to Carl's quote below: _________________ Skeptical scrutiny in both Science and Religion is the means by which deep thoughts are winnowed from deep nonsense-Carl Sagan
Joined: May 18, 2006 Posts: 4381 Location: Minneapolis, MN
Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 4:47 pm Post subject: Re: Armageddon date established - Book of Revelation (2060)
SILENTTODD wrote:
vision-master wrote:
Quote:
Even in Halley's day they made a definite distinction between ASTRONOMY-the study of the motions and properties of celestial opjects; and ASTROLOGY-how planets (and they only knew of 5 of them in Newton's day) somehow effected human events.
Oh?
It is a fact that the early Sumerians knew of the solar system. They knew that the solar system was made up of the Sun –a sphere- (Apsu) at its center and was circled by spherical celestial bodies. They knew of Mercury (Mummu), Venus (Lahamu), Earth (Ki), the Moon (Kingu), Mars (Lahmu), Jupiter (Kishar), Saturn (Anshar), Uranus (Anu), Neptune (Ea), Pluto (Gaga) and a mysterious celestial body known as Marduk or Nibiru.
Quote me source on a pre-William Hershel (discoverer of Uranus 1781) knowledge of the existence of the planets Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto (Dwarf Planet as it is now called) from a refereed scientific journal,and I'll take your statement seriously.
Refer to Carl's quote below:
Quote:
About four billion years ago, when our solar system was very young, the Earth, as we know it, did not exist. If we were to name the planets, starting from the Sun, we would have Mercury (Mummu), Venus (Lahamu), Mars (Lahmu), Tiamat, Kingu, Jupiter (Kishar), Saturn (Anshar), Uranus (Anu), Neptune (Ea), and Pluto (Gaga). Yes, the Sumerians knew, and had names for, all of the planets in our solar system as recent (or long ago) as six thousand years ago! It was written in one of their early "books" known as The Epic of Creation, which predates the Hebrew Genesis by more than a thousand years. The first words of The Creation Epic, given to Gilgamesh, were, Enuma Elish, "When in the heights," just as in the opening of Genesis we read, Berashith, "In the beginning..." Scholars now know that the first few chapters of Genesis are really a condensed version of Enuma Elish. This is important to remember, because the key to understanding pre-historical events (as recorded by the Sumerians) and subsequent historical events, resides with the very personage of Abraham, the Father of the Hebrews.
How do these events match up with the "final battle between good and evil" in 2060?
What event in Revelation do you consider the "final battle between good and evil"? Isn't that after the thousand years of the rule of the saints?
Ludi, I have to confess that it is at least 10 if not 15 years since I read the book of revelation so my memory may be a bit hazy.
Going from memory, the book however does not give indication of durations of each event. But in a reasonably paced speed 2060 for the beginning of the millenium seems possible.
Looking at the link you sent me the timeline seems thrown around a bit. i.e. makes me wonder if it hasn't been written down in the correct order. I'll see if I can spare a few hours and have a read through the book again then maybe I have some more opinions.
There's a man goin' 'round takin' names.
An' he decides who to free and who to blame.
Everybody won't be treated all the same.
There'll be a golden ladder reaching down.
When the man comes around.
- J. Cash, When the man comes around. Very good song about the day of reckoning. _________________ Lets take a ride, and run with the dogs tonight
In suburbia
You cant hide, run with the dogs tonight
In suburbia
- Pet Shop Boys
Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 8:11 pm Post subject: Re: Armageddon date established - Book of Revelation (2060)
TheTurtle wrote:
vision-master wrote:
The age of peace and tranquility is waning.........
Au contraire; I propose that the age of peace and tranquility is just around the corner. Admittedly, there are a few significant hiccups between now and then. But I see a light at the end of the tunnel.
Peace.
Turtle--I don't know if Armegeddon is coming but it's nice to see YOU back, Turtle. We've missed you!
Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 4:38 am Post subject: Re: Armageddon date established - Book of Revelation (2060)
charliebrownout wrote:
By that time I'll be 80.
Frankly, if I'm not dead by 2050, I'll probably pull a Hemmingway. I'm not one of these psychos that wants to live to be 150 or some crazy number.
Do you have any idea the number of pills, pains, and fake parts the average person needs to hit 80? Noooooooooooo spank you. I have no desire to be toddling around in a diaper with my own great-grandkids, slowly losing my mind to dementia.
Wearing a diaper and drooling is cute at age 12months....at 960 months....less so...
Joined: May 06, 2006 Posts: 873 Location: Tustin, CA
Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 1:03 am Post subject: Re: Armageddon date established - Book of Revelation (2060)
SILENTTODD wrote:
Quote me source on a pre-William Hershel (discoverer of Uranus 1781) knowledge of the existence of the planets Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto (Dwarf Planet as it is now called) from a refereed scientific journal,and I'll take your statement seriously.
Refer to Carl's quote below:
vision-master wrote:
About four billion years ago, when our solar system was very young, the Earth, as we know it, did not exist. If we were to name the planets, starting from the Sun, we would have Mercury (Mummu), Venus (Lahamu), Mars (Lahmu), Tiamat, Kingu, Jupiter (Kishar), Saturn (Anshar), Uranus (Anu), Neptune (Ea), and Pluto (Gaga). Yes, the Sumerians knew, and had names for, all of the planets in our solar system as recent (or long ago) as six thousand years ago! It was written in one of their early "books" known as The Epic of Creation, which predates the Hebrew Genesis by more than a thousand years. The first words of The Creation Epic, given to Gilgamesh, were, Enuma Elish, "When in the heights," just as in the opening of Genesis we read, Berashith, "In the beginning..." Scholars now know that the first few chapters of Genesis are really a condensed version of Enuma Elish. This is important to remember, because the key to understanding pre-historical events (as recorded by the Sumerians) and subsequent historical events, resides with the very personage of Abraham, the Father of the Hebrews.
An interesting translation of an epic myth, by one individual. Many cultures have them. But my point remains. Nothing in that whole script could objectively be used to identify any of the outer planets. There is nothing, about size, distance, orbital period, or any other property that could be used to identify one of them from that translation.
A question comes to my mind if your just slapping names to planets from that myth, what about the big four minor-planets Ceres, Vesta, Pallas and Juno? All of them have individual orbits and were discovered with small telescopes even before Neptune, because from Earth their brighter! Two of the planetary moons in the solar system, Jupiter's Ganymede, and Saturn's Titan are actually bigger than Mercury. You'd think they'd get a mention?
Your source is from the web. While the translation may be a very good one, it doesn't cut the mustard as "a refereed scientific journal". _________________ Skeptical scrutiny in both Science and Religion is the means by which deep thoughts are winnowed from deep nonsense-Carl Sagan
Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 8:45 pm Post subject: Re: Armageddon date established - Book of Revelation (2060)
Let's add this one to the list of other doomsday prophecies.
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The Maya calander ends (or just resets) 2012. Planet X returning on 21, 12, 2012 is just rumor. Nothing more.
That is not what you made it sound like, and in any case you're damaging your own arguments (not to mention your credibility) by saying that. Fact is you've been going on and on about it on several different threads about this.
Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 8:57 pm Post subject: Re: Armageddon date established - Book of Revelation (2060)
Really, all we can do is live one day at a time. And, I won't be around in 2060 anyway, though my kids may be. But, I recommend the same to them. We are not to worry about the timing of the final days, we are to treat each day we are given as a precious gift from God and make the best of it.
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