Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil

mystiek

I'm just jumping in (hope my feet don't get burnt)- I grew up in a religious (not extremely) home, but came to know Jesus as my Savior 33 years ago. I wouldn't dream of getting in a big debate or arguement here, but I can share with you about what Jesus has done in my life, the day I accepted Jesus, how He has been with me through the good times, bad times, good decisions and bad decisions (obviously the ones I did not seek wisdom first). I'm sharing this because after 33 years of having Jesus as my Savior I haven't seen anyone argued into the Kingdom of God. I just want to share with those the peace and strength that Jesus has brought to my life. Its like if you heard that down the street, gas was going for $1.50/gallon-wouldn't you be excited and want to share the news (ok-no wisecracks....I just had to bring this back around to PO appropriate). For you praying folks, keep those boyscouts and their families in your prayers, I just heard on the weatherchannel where a tornado went through a boyscout camp in I think Sioux City, Iowa?-apparently some have lost their lives, many injured-sketchy details on the weather channel. What wacky weather we are having in this country!

Peleg · Heavy Crude Joined: May 20, 2008 Posts: 391

mystiek

oh good, I don't have to jump in the puddle with my feet. Its been a long day...just got back from Nashville (1 hour drive) where my husband had his heart cath-at least we got good news and could come home. I actually saw gas for a "bargain" at 3.86! Venturing out to the "big city" is always amusing, but I am glad I don't live in one. Have a great evening.

POAlex

Peleg · Heavy Crude Joined: May 20, 2008 Posts: 391

There are many extent theories about the end times. The fact that so many are blatantly contradictory and backed up by people whose lives demonstrate their sincere faith in the Lord and love for all people leaves us really one conclusion: some aspects of the end times are still hidden from us. This is can be taken both ways. It is bad because it means so many of us feel we are living in the end times and yet the church universal lacks a consistent understanding of these times. On the good side it leaves us open to have really honest discussion about the ideas that exist about the end time. We have to conclude that alot of the dogma about the end times is just that, dogma, and not essential to salvation. Therefore I really do not have any pangs of conscience in sharing my own opinions on the matter since I also have the Spirit of God.

One interpretation of the Book of Revelation includes the following associations. There in the Book a great beast and a great harlot (Chapters 13, 17, 18.) The harlot rides on the back of the beast, but the beast hates her actually seeks to destroy her.

'And he said to me, "The waters which you saw where the harlot sits, are peoples and multitudes and nations and tongues. And the ten horns which you saw, and the beast, these will hate the harlot and will make her desoloate and naked, and will eat her flesh and will burn her up with fire. For God has put it in their hearts to execute His purpose by having a common purpose, and by giving their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God should be fulfilled. And the woman whom you saw is the great city, which reigns over the kings of the earth.' Revelation 17:15-18

Here is one take on this. The United States is the great harlot and the European Union is the great beast. First to try to understand the connection to the United States we must read some more. When the harlot falls here is the lament (Rev 18:9-24)

'And the kings of the earth, who committed acts of immorality and lived sensuously with her, will weep and lament over her when they see the smoke of her burning, standing at a distance because of the fear of her torment, saying, "woe, woe, the great city, Babylon, the strong city! For in one hour your judgement has come. And the merchants of the earth weep and mourn over her, because no one buys their cargoes any more; cargoes of gold and silver and precious stones and pearls and fine linen and purple and silk and scarlet, and every kind of citron wood and every article of ivory and every article made from very costly wood and bronze and iron and marble, and cinnamon and spice and incense and perfume and frankicense and wine and olive oil and fine flour and wheat and cattle and sheep, and cargoes of horses and chariots and slaves and human lives. And the fruit you long for has gone from you, and all things that were luxurious and splendid have passed away from you and men will no longer find them. The merchants of these things, who became rich from her, will stand at a distance because of the fear of her torment, weeping and mourning, saying, 'Woe, Woe, the great city, she who was clothed in fine linen and purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls; for in one hour such great wealth has been laid waste!" And every shipmaster and every passenger and sailor, and as many as make their living by the sea, stood at a distance, and were crying out as they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, 'What city is like the great city?' And they threw dust on their heads and were crying out, weeping and mourning, saying 'Woe, woe, the great city, in which all who had ships at sea became rich by her wealth, for in one hour she has been laid waste!' "Rejoice over her, O heaven, and you saints and apostles and prophets, because God has pronounced judgement for you against her." And a strong angel took up a stone like a great millstone and threw it into the sea, saying, "Thus will Babylon, the great city, be thrown down with violence, and will not be found any longer. "And the sound of harpists and musicians and flute-players and trumpeters will not be heard in you and longer; and no craftsman of any craft will be found in you any longer; and the sound of a mill will not be heard in you any longer; and the light of a lamp will not shine in you any longer; and the voice of the bridegroom and bride will not be heard in you any longer; for your merchants were the great men of the earth, because all the nations were deceived by your sorcery. And in her was found the blood of prophets and of saints and of all who have been slain on the earth.'

Now the last verse gives us hope that this sign is not in reference to a specific nation since the US is not guilty of the blood of all those who are slain on the earth. Then again all of these signs are somewhat shrouded in mystery. The great city is mentioned again in Revelation 11:8 concerning the two witnesses

'And ther dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which mystically is called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified.'

Why associate it with Sodom and Egypt. We understand Sodom, it is represented on the far left of the American political spectrum openly, and in secret on the far right. We also understand Egypt, it is the land of the pyramids and of the view of the world which says that a few illuminated ones should stand at the top of the pyramid watching out for society. And there is much more to it than just that. However the great city is also called the place where their Lord was crucified. Do we take the last clause literally and the other figuratively? Or is it all figurative?

There are three woes considered the last three trumpets. Woe, Woe, the great city. It is the Rapture at the seventh trumpet which casts down the great city, and that great city is not simply the United States, though we will play our part in it, it is a world economic and humanitarian (religious) political empire, whose defacto capital might be Jerusalem.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1196847405557&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FPrinter

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/04/27/africa/ME-GEN-Mideast-Blair.php

http://signsoftheend.blogspot.com/

Now, I need to apologize to my brothers for suggesting in the past that the US would be the great whore in total, that is not true as I understand it now, but the US will succumb and participate and in fact we have already done so. Like no other nation that has ever existed we are the physical embodiment of that great whore, though we are not all of her members. The harlot was birthed by seduction by Satan of Eve in the Garden, and by the sin of Cain, which produced all the nations before the Flood, and afterward it was carried on by Nimrod and became all the great empires of old who in succession carried the torch, the Egyptians, and Assyrians, the Babylonians, Medes and Persians, the Greeks and the Romans. It is really impossible for me to make my Catholic brothers see the danger in a man like Tony Blair, taking up residence in Jerusalem, becoming Catholic, and then starting a world faith initiative http://tonyblairfaithfoundation.org/, at the same time that he is the Middle East envoy for peace representing the UN, EU, US, and Russia. Am I saying TB is the AC? No, he would need to succeed in producing Middle East peace and then after a third temple is built kill to prophets in Jerusalem and defile the temple and proclaim himself God.

The problem here is that there is already a policy mechanism in the EU that allows for seven year agreements with the EU neighbors, it is called the European Neighborhood and Partnership Instrument http://ec.europa.eu/europeaid/where/neighbourhood/overview/how-does-enpi-work_en.htm. This allows Javier Solana (or anyone in his post) to institute seven year agreements with all nations bordering Europe by land or sea for the promotion of greater union and with and eventual goal of free trade, unified currencies and perhaps EU membership. This policy mechanism is the forward advance of the EU model into a one world system, this and the regionalized free trade zones popping up around the world like the Asian Union and the South American Union, and the proposed North American Union, the African Union.

Think about how peak oil fits into Jerusalem becoming something like the capital of a great global economic, political, and coalition military empire. As peak oil first reduces American hegemony and makes us deal within the new rules (which are being set more and more by the EU and it's massive economic and humanitarian clout, read the book 'United States of Europe'), Peak Oil means that solving the Arab/Isreali conflict becomes of paramount importance. Having an international city of peace represent this great compromise will be even better. What is more if you investigate the ENPI you will find that it came into force in January of 2007 for it's first seven year span to be reviewed at halfway and that Israel was the first non-european nation to sign on. Notice also that nearly every nation on earth borders the EU by either land or sea.

Are these the beginnings, are we seeing the beasts rising from the land and the sea? Or are we at the very door of a far reaching agreement? Has peak oil, or will it, push all the nations of the earth to look for food at the table of the antichrist?

I have never seen a man more qualified for the post of antichrist than Tony Blair, he created peace in northern Ireland, He was prime minister of Britain, held the EU Council Presidency and is now tapped to be the new EU President later this year when the position gains huge power and a 2 1/2 year term reelectable once (under the Treaty of Lisbon.) The antichrist it is said will confirm the convenant of peace with the many it does not say he will create it.

So now we have to seek God to understand the times. Are we still in the beginning of birth pangs? Wherever we are Jesus is still enough. Rich or poor, hungry or full, Jesus is still enough. If only the American church would get this, we might start using all of our money and time and talents to glorify God!

There is and should be no doubt to those who study the world power elite that they are progressing toward their goals at an ever faster pace. May the Lord help us by granting us true love for one another and give us the eyes to see the seal of God on the foreheads of our brethren. The paradigm since 9/11, and Iraq, Katrina, it has shifted.

So, an off the wall prediction, here goes. In the next decade peak oil will push us to the brink of a major war in the Middle East. The EU will help to negotiate a settlement that includes the right of the Jews to rebuild their temple, and make Jerusalem a city center of the New Peace, which will have at it's heart two planks, those of Sodom (hedonistic humanism to the extreme) and Egypt (power elite ruling form the top.) It will be through a seven year deal, perhaps the next round of ENPI work, that this peace will begin. At the time that the convenant is confirmed, God will raise up two witnesses to guide a revived church in it's efforts to give one last testimony to the world of God's grace and power. After these two are killed in Jerusalem and are taken to heaven (Rev 11) at a day and hour that nobody knows (but all true believers will be expecting) the Seventh Trumpet will blow and the Rapture will happen.

I am not claiming to have this signed by God, but since we are free to discuss our eschatologies as mature Christians I offer this. If 9/11 and the rise of Bush was the first seal, Iraq the second, and the economic collapse we are about to see the third seal, then in the next five to ten years we can expect to see famines, plagues, and wars destroy 1/4 of the world's population. This will get bad as a revival sweeps through the churches of the world leading to a group of people who will not submit to the passions and plans of the ruling elite (many of whom deny the Lord in secret and some actively worship the devil.) Therefore a persecution breaks out under the Fifth Seal. Then in the Sixth Seal the people of the world understand that a major catastrophy is about to befall the whole earth. Do they see an impending impact by a comet? The Seventh Seal leads to the greatest outpourring of God's power upon the Church since the very Day of Pentecost. Greater works shall that Church do than Christ Himself because the prayers of the saints will call down fire from the altar of God (Rev 8:5.) This leads to the seven trumpets in which at least two of the first four speak of something like an asteroid or comet impact, perhaps around 2012. The fifth trumpet begins a judgment upon those who are not sealed by God's Spirit, and may represent the rise of a worldwide satanic cult in opposition to the mighty work of the true church. The sixth trumpet is a war in the middle east involving massive armies coming from the four angels bound at the great river euphrates (the Quartet?) Then comes the peace deal, seven years negotiated by the antichrist or one of his representatives. The two witnesses rise up and have a world wide ministry leading the church and sealing up prophecy, fulfilling the mystery God revealed to His prophets. Then the man who would be king will be possessed by the devil and overcome them. When the seventh trumpet blows the saints are raptured ( a remnant saved from every tribe and nation and tongue and from every church) and the antichrist starts his short and tortured reign in Jerusalem, sitting as a king over all the world, and as a priest and God to the one religion which has been created, manufactured from those who were dead in every faith across the Earth. For where the dead body is there the vultures will be gathered.

The bowls are poured out and the Antichrist is then destroyed after three and a half years by the Lord's return.

Now at least some of this stuff is difficult to know since the media in those times will not show the people what is going on. We see the seeds of that type of seduction starting already. We really cannot always know ( even on the Internet) if the news we see is real. So we need to be watchful and build strong and healthy relationships in the Lord and pay close attention.

The ENPI agreement is spooky, very spooky. But notice that according to the Book of Revelation there are believers present (though apparently hiding and on the run) even during the reign of the antichrist.

'And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went off to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.' Rev 12:17

Some of us have believed and prayed that America might find grace in the Lord to see massive revivals and remain intact through all this. It seems unlikely since the Constitution is itself a compromise so severe that the Bible cannot bear it into eternity. As much as humans wish it to be true, compromise in the end will not be the way to peace. Only submission to the Risen Lord brings peace, forsaking of sin and faith in Jesus. The Constitution cannot save us from hell, it only seduced us for a while. The Church does not need the laws of men to protect it, though our love given by God in every way promotes and upholds just laws, we are sojourners and pilgrims, we seek a heavenly city whose builder and maker is God and we invite all in the the sincere hope they come. Yet we know that most will not.

'Why are the nations in an uproar, And the peoples devising a vain thing? The kings of the earth take their stand, and the rulers take counsel together against the Lord and against His Anointed: "Let us tear their fetters apart, and cast away their cords from us!" He who sits in the heaven laughs, The Lord scoffs at them. Then He will speak to them in His anger and terrify them in His fury: "But as for Me, I have installed My King upon Zion, My holy mountain."

Psalm 2:1-6

POAlex

joelcolorado · Intermediate Crude Joined: May 25, 2008 Posts: 651

WE ARE SAVED.
Barack Obama will save us all and provide free health care, low gas prices, low taxes, reparations to the blacks, more immigration.
HE IS THE ANTICHRIST

vision-master

joelcolorado · Intermediate Crude Joined: May 25, 2008 Posts: 651

I dont understand the site. WHy do you repost a comment then a plus one..? just not clued in here.

vision-master

joelcolorado · Intermediate Crude Joined: May 25, 2008 Posts: 651

The bible says of Nimrod that he was a mighty hunter. But he was a hunter of mens souls. His father Cush, was the first man to practice idolotry. If you see the statues of a multiple breasted woman or woman with child that were created prior to Christ, those are of Semaramis, nimrods wife.

Shem and Japeth, noahs sons, went and captured Nimrod and killed him, cutting his body into many pieces and showed them to ppl saying, if you worship idols this will happen to you. So his wife, who practiced sexual worship, came up pregnant after his death and said the baby, Tamz was nimrod reincarnated. Hence the first record of that doctrin.

They worshiped the sun, sex, and idols.

vision-master

AlwaysThere · Heavy Crude Joined: May 05, 2008 Posts: 215

Peleg · Heavy Crude Joined: May 20, 2008 Posts: 391

Anyone care to comment on the 'European Neighbourhood and Partnership Instrument'?

I'm surprised that so many on this site seem to think there is a global conspiracy but whose eyes are completely blinded to the shocking way in which Bible prophecy seems to parallel the events of the last 70 years.

'Let him who has ears to hear.'

Of course they ae going to label you crazy. Jesus said 'If they do this when the tree is green, what will they do when it is brown?'

'Arise oh sleeper and Christ will give you life.'

Salvation is now and will forever be by grace through faith, not by works, so that no one can boast. And yet if we have met the Lord there is fruit. Remember what the Lord said to the church in Smyrna,

'Do not fear what you are about to suffer. Behold, the devil is about to cast some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and you will have tribulation ten days. Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life.' Revelation 2:10

Sin is being glorified and accepted in the United States like never before in our history, and the Church for the most part is afraid to speak out against it, choosing indifference and luxury, and petitions to the Bill of Rights as justification. The fact is that Sodom's sin was luxury and out of that luxury grew every other vice in abundance.

Remember what Abram said to the King of Sodom.

'And the king of Sodom said to Abram, "Give the souls (people) to me and take the goods for yourself." And abram said to the king of Sodom, "I have sworn to the Lord God Most High, possessor of heaven and earth, that I will not take a thread or a sandal thong or anything that is yours, lest you should say, 'I have made Abram rich.'

Abram was not willing to have himself tied to the king of Sodom in anyway.

What else does the Bible say about the whore?

'And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, "Come out of her, my people, that you may not participate in her sins and that you may not receive of her plagues; for her sins have piled up as high as heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities."' Revelation 18:4

Again she says of herself 'I sit as a Queen and I am not a widow, and will never see mourning.'

If she had been redeemed here sins would have been forgotten not remembered. All the pomp and circumstance all the vanity, all the appearance of legitimacy with which the fallen promenade themselves is empty.

Nevertheless, the firm foundation of God stands, having this seal, "The Lord knows those who are His," and, "Let everyone who names the name of the Lord abstain from wickedness."

2 Timothy 2:19

Grant us grace Lord Jesus in abundance, and faith and courage for the days that lay ahead.