Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 3:18 pm Post subject: DOE Gives $30M to Plug-In Electrics
So even if you plug your EV into a grid that burns coal or nuclear, I guess the DOE still thinks that's better than burning oil. Given that some Canadian oil production is labor-intensive, environmentally destructive, and harmful to all living things, it's another good reason to get off the teat. (Check out the Candian tar pits.) We already highlight the need to buy less oil from the Middle East.
This is a nice little article about what Ford, GM, GE plan to do with the cash advance. In addition, there's some news from Nissan, Tesla, and Diamler.
Personally, I think it would be nice to be able to plug your car into a grid that made better use of renewable energy. Guess I can dream, but we're getting there slowly, right?
Joined: Mar 25, 2008 Posts: 862 Location: Alif Lam Mim
Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 3:21 pm Post subject: Re: DOE Gives $30M to Plug-In Electrics
Aww geez. A whole $30 million USD for "non-oil" based cars? That's a large amount - if this were 1908. We spend $1.5 billion on gasoline every single day. And $30 million is supposed to cure us? Or even help? It's like putting a penny away a day for major surgery that's due today. _________________ Riches are not from abundance of worldly goods, but from a contented mind.
Joined: Jun 28, 2005 Posts: 374 Location: san jose CA
Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 3:26 pm Post subject: Re: DOE Gives $30M to Plug-In Electrics
Haha whats 30 million cover? 2 hours in Iraq ? What if some celebrity or activist started a nationwide fund raiser to generate money for EV research.. I bet they could easily double 30 million if they wanted to.. what a joke.
Joined: May 06, 2006 Posts: 873 Location: Tustin, CA
Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 4:05 pm Post subject: Re: DOE Gives $30M to Plug-In Electrics
Who knows? Maybe we'll have the U.S. Calvary back in business before too long! _________________ Skeptical scrutiny in both Science and Religion is the means by which deep thoughts are winnowed from deep nonsense-Carl Sagan
Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 4:49 pm Post subject: Re: DOE Gives $30M to Plug-In Electrics
The problem REALLY is that a plug in electric vehicle -
Will cost 30-50k, and,
will only have 100miles or less per charge, IF you want to go 55mph.
Thus, nobody is going to be interested in this vehicle until gasoline gets high enough to make the EV competitive, WITH sticker price included in the equation.
Further, I'm not going to believe that there is enough Li for millions of these EVs until I see a comprehensive study by competent, disinterested geologists and materials scientists.
Until then, to me, the EV is just the fire we are looking to jump into. _________________ Massive Human Dieoff must occur as a result of Peak Oil. Many more than half will die. It will occur everywhere, including where you live. If you fail to recognize this, then your odds of living move toward the "going to die" group.
Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 7:48 pm Post subject: Re: DOE Gives $30M to Plug-In Electrics
So the govt is handing out $30 million over 3 years =$10 million/year, split between 3 companies =$3.3 million/year/company (average). The companies are Ford, GM, and GE (in partnership with Chrysler).
GM
General Motors, 5th largest company on the planet, $186 Billion in assets, $207 Billion in revenue in 2005
GE
General Electric, 11th largest company in the world, $697 Billion in assets, $168 Billion revenue
Ford
Ford Motor Company, 12th in the world, $278 Billion in assets, $160 Billion in revenue
Chrysler
DaimlerChrysler, #8 worldwide, $250 Billion in assets, $190 Billion in revenue
Somehow an extra $3 Million/year is going to offer some sort of motivation for these companies? They lose more than that rounding off pennies on their payrolls in a week. The entire amount cost every man woman and child in the US 10 cents each over the 3 years of the program.
This is the government announcing its efforts to solve the problem. I would not consider it to be worth of being called a drop in the bucket. It is propaganda. _________________ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face--for ever."
-George Orwell, 1984
Joined: Oct 27, 2004 Posts: 221 Location: Queensland, Australia
Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 10:07 pm Post subject: Re: DOE Gives $30M to Plug-In Electrics
Kpeavey,
Just to jump in there. Chrysler is no longer part of Daimler. The Germans sold it off as a job lot to some private equity group at the end of last year. I suspect they were very smart in doing so.
Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 10:56 pm Post subject: Re: DOE Gives $30M to Plug-In Electrics
Did they? Just too darn much going on to keep track of. _________________ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face--for ever."
-George Orwell, 1984
You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum
News
Discussions
Resources
Members
Forum FAQ
Search
Usergroups
Profile
Log in to check your private messages
Log in
