Another Car runs on water hoax

halcyon · Heavy Crude Joined: Apr 08, 2006 Posts: 166

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrxfMz2eDME
http://in.reuters.com/article/lifestyleMolt/idINSP7366720080613

Where do these come from? And now on Reuters (via Nikkei). Good grief...

Vegas

cipi604

I heard the big news yesterday from a friend, it was on TV. I found the website of this thing... in japanese.
http://www.genepax.co.jp/

joelcolorado · Intermediate Crude Joined: May 25, 2008 Posts: 643

Read the story. If the Japs do it, then its possible. They will take over the US automakers with this one.

mos6507 · Fission Joined: Aug 03, 2007 Posts: 2989

kublikhan · Intermediate Crude Joined: Nov 06, 2007 Posts: 616

There are other ways to strip hydrogen from water besides electrolysis. I'm betting the chemical reaction they are referring to is consuming some other material, like aluminum, or something else that must be replaced frequently. It takes a great deal of energy to make aluminum. It is not perpetual motion. But I am not sure it will be cost effective either. There's just not enough information to properly evaluate this.
_________________
The oil barrel is half-full.

MD

Find me another product that comes squirting out of the ground at 1000 psi or better, that also is amazingly dense with btus, and I'll get excited. Until then; it's just another way to move energy around(with losses at every exchange, of course)
_________________
"Don't ever become a pessimist... a pessimist is correct oftener than an optimist, but an optimist has more fun, and neither can stop the march of events."
Robert A. Heinlein

md@peakoil.com

abelardlindsay

If you don't believe in free energy suppression this thing absolutely is impossible. The inventors should be thrown in prison for even making such claims and you can stop reading now.

However, if you choose to believe otherwise:

I don't know anybody important, I just click around, watch youtube and read conspiracy websites. You can basically get the gist of everything I know by watching the Project Camelot Benjamin Fulford videos on youtube. It's 3 hours long so I'm not going to attempt to regurgitate it here.

Anyway the short of the news is that there has been a global agreement to suppress free energy, and now, for various reasons, the Asians are in the process of breaking from the agreement.

Isn't it curious that one of Japan's leading nuclear physicists recently gave a cold fusion demo? There should be more big announcements out of China in the near future in coordination with the Olympics.

Armageddon

If the generator charges the battey, why can't it crack the hydrogen also ?

Armageddon

Why Doesn't Water Burn?
Every first year chemistry student knows that water is composed of two parts hydrogen and one part oxygen. That’s what that “H-two-oh” thing is all about.

In our chemistry classes, we also learned that hydrogen is just about the most combustible thing out there. You know the story of the Hindenburg and “Oh the humanity” and all that.

And we also learned that three things are needed to create a fire: fuel, oxygen, and heat.

And any third grader knows that you can put out a fire by pouring water over it.

Waitammint. Am I the only one to see a paradox here? You put out a fire by pouring two-thirds of the formula for fire on it? Gee, it seems like water should be a tinderbox, just waiting for a match to turn it into a lighter-than air blazing inferno.

What gives? Well, if you just sorta mixed up the hydrogen and oxygen then, yeah, you’d have a ball of gas that’s ready to light up like a Kuwait oil field. But that’s not what water is. The hydrogen and oxygen form together at the molecular level.

In a union that is only fully understood by God, atoms can bond together to form something completely different — something that didn’t exist before. Something that that has absolutely no characteristics of the original raw materials.

God allows us to use electrolysis to break the hydrogen and oxygen apart. But He bonds them together so tightly that it usually requires more energy to break them up than what is yielded in fuel. When God sticks things together, He generally doesn’t mess around.

In the book of Second Corinthians, the Apostle Paul tells us that “if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature”. The implication is that we are made into a new species, literally something that never existed before, something that has no characteristics of the original raw material.

I guess God knows what He’s doing. After all, He can take the most perfect fuel in the universe and turn it into a pretty good fire extinguisher.

http://themindofjoe.blogspot.com/2006/05/why-doesnt-water-burn.html

ozkrenske

Actually the science show on our public radio discussed a hydrogen producing water burner, effectively as a way of debunking water burning. All they are looking for now is alternatives to the current reactants.

Very close to pure demineralised water, 1 kg of Aluminium for each ~ 2 kilos of water, some Magnesium, Paladium and a sustaining electrical current. So to get about 500 grams of Hydrogen they burn, around $3000 of precious and processed metals. Of course the reaction also runs at around 1600 degrees and must apparently not flash to steam. So super high temperature and pressure as well as massively expensive.

Apparently you can also burn Corundum at the rate of 4 kilos per 100 grams of hydrogen. Most people know corundum as Sapphire and Ruby. Of course you have to synthetically create pure corundum to burn in this way. I expect a cost in the order of $200 000 per hundred grams of hydrogen, with massive energy inputs and just as dangerous reaction as the one above.

Neither of these Methods of burning water seems economically or energetically sustainable.

idiom

Quick, find all the clean wate ryou can, and we will destroy it in cars.

At least we won't have the starvation side-effect of ethanol.

directinfo · Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 2:05 pm Post subject: Water-fuel car unveiled in Japan

Anyone seen this? I did a search and didn't find it on the forums yet.

Water-fuel car unveiled in Japan - Reuters

Is this an electric car that turns water into hydrogen or what?

Any EROEI studies available?

Mass media - "Am I in the Twilight Zone of Denial again?"

After this 10,000th failure solution, what will the 10,001st failure look like?

GASMON

For every chemical reaction equation there is an energy equation.

So, burning hydrogen.
(2) Hydrogen + (1)Oxygen = (1) H20 water + energy

Things have to balance, so to split water into Hydrogen + Oxygen
(1) H20 water + energy = (2) Hydrogen + (1)Oxygen

You have TO ADD ENERGY to water to get the split.

The above is a simplified version, but the thing is, THERES NO FREE LUNCH.

Links below explain, but a bit involved. (many years since I did this)

http://physics.weber.edu/schroeder/eee/chapter4.pdf

http://richardbowles.tripod.com/chemistry/balance.htm#part0

http://www.wissensdrang.com/aufceam.htm

Gasmon
_________________
Oiyl be back !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

freddyseven · Tar Sands Joined: Jun 15, 2008 Posts: 34

Cars will run on water anyway! You dont need to buy anything!

Just put a water hose in your tank and see.

It starts up great and if you go fast enough, when the water hits the injectors you can coast for quite some time.

(Don't do that, it is a joke)

cars don't run on water.

If I want to save the most gasoline, I put in a cup of powdered sugar in my tank, I burn very little gasoline after that and it really saves me money.

Don';t do that either.

wait, I know,

Mosquito larva! Yes that is the key, a few gallons of mosquito larva per fillup really helps save gasoline.