I think this is the beginnings of an economy based on perpetual growth and fossil fuel energy running headlong into geological energy constraints. Basically I see an undulatory downward path for the rest of my life. From here out, I think any rallies in our economic condition are going to be met with spiking commodity prices that knock us right back down.
Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 8:16 pm Post subject: Re: Obama backs Israel uber alles
Ubama backs the Ubers. Amazing how most of Ubama's rise to fame in 2006 was because he didn't say anything. Then when he got far enough, he started talking & what a radical he was. _________________ People first, then things, then dollars.
There will be enslavement, cannibalism, & zombie invasions.
Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 8:20 pm Post subject: Re: Obama backs Israel uber alles
max_in_wa wrote:
I'm always annoyed by the Israel stories -- it seems to bring out so much latent racism. We've got Praetorian obviously at odds with people having relationships outside their skin color, and somebody else going through the list of Jews own this, and Jews own that, and blah blah blah, "what do you expect?"
I'm Jewish -- I wonder what I did wrong because every day I wake up, I'm not in control of the world or a major corporation or some political big wig. It's my birthright apparently, but all the other Jews I know are just regular people too.
By the same token, how many political heads of state have there been in the last 50 years in N. America or Europe who were Jewish? I don't know the answer but I'd bet if it isn't a non-zero number, it's a very small one. <sarcasm>Evidently, there is a vast Christian conspiracy to control the governments of the west!</sarcasm>
Let's start with this Max:
Have you ever expressed support for Israel?
Start there.
Then go to the this:
You ever accuse anybody of being an anti-semite?
It changed for me the day I was working and my asshole of a boss told me that I had better be careful because some people were saying that I might be an anti-semite.
Maybe my boss was a Jew like you - you know, no power over anything.
Well, except for me.
So then I say, well if thinking Israel is a racist state that America should not be supporting makes me an Anti-semite, then that's what I am.
So the point is, have you ever engaged in labeling someone an antisemite because you didn't like what he said about Israel? Or Jewish culture?
I've known lots of Jews just like you - not the George Soros, Marc Rich power brokers of the world. Just regular Jews.
But when filthy pieces of crap like A Douchawitz and the Harvard president stand up and say, "criticism of Israel is anti-semitic", I don't see you, and Jews like you, rise up in unison and scream, "shut the f--k up - you don't represent us. We cherish freedom of speech more than we cherish being able to censor those who would critique Israel."
With the exception of Noam Chompsky, I can find nary a Jew who protests about it being criminal in the United States to boycott Israel - that's right, forced compliance at the point of a gun.
I can find nary a Jew who will protest the SEVERE free speech restrictions in Europe, where they put a gun to your head and put you in jail if you say, "1 fewer than 6 million Jews died in WWII."
And when pieces of crap like J Lieberman suggest legislation that would restrict my freedom of speech - the most precious freedom - I can find nary a Jew who will stand up and say - "you do not speak for me! To criminalize the challenging of conventional history is to abolish the first amendment itself."
So, because I can find nary a Jew who peeps when the Jews in power speak, what am I to assume?
Am I not to assume that you, as a Jew, want the U.S. to bomb Iran when I have not, to date, heard nary one Jew take the opposite position?
Do you believe that it is right that non-Jews are barred based on their race alone from buying property in Israel?
Is that not naked and disgusting racism in its purest form?
But yet I hear nary a Jew condemn Israel for this obvious racism.
You are a Jew without power, you say?
I say you are German circa 1935 who, with your silence, endorse the heinous policies of those of your race who are in power. _________________ Massive Human Dieoff must occur as a result of Peak Oil. Many more than half will die. It will occur everywhere, including where you live. If you fail to recognize this, then your odds of living move toward the "going to die" group.
Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 9:23 am Post subject: Re: Obama backs Israel uber alles
Max, you didn't answer my questions.
Why not?
You come on and you voice your complaint - "why am I swept up in this?"
I answer you - you cite a link? Come now Max. _________________ Massive Human Dieoff must occur as a result of Peak Oil. Many more than half will die. It will occur everywhere, including where you live. If you fail to recognize this, then your odds of living move toward the "going to die" group.
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Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 12:26 pm Post subject: Re: Obama backs Israel uber alles
There are actually quite a few who resent Zionism and themselves being Jewish. I actually know a Jewish woman who said that Holocaust was a good thing. I mean she is a family friend , its not an internet rant.
Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 7:19 pm Post subject: Re: Obama backs Israel uber alles
Cashmere wrote:
Max, you didn't answer my questions.
Why not?
You come on and you voice your complaint - "why am I swept up in this?"
I answer you - you cite a link? Come now Max.
Cashmere--What are you yanging on about, for god's sakes? If you want to pick a fight with "the Jews", you better be a heck of alot more specific. State pro-Israeli neo-conservatives, or pro-Likkud neo-libs. You had better qualify it, or you're making the same stupid over generalizations that have been made for centuries. How would you like it if I fingered you for all of the crimes of the Anglo American empire? Don't be so thick, Dude!
Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 7:23 pm Post subject: Re: Obama backs Israel uber alles
A book called The Israel Message exlains it all. We are related by blood to the ppl in israel. So we will never ever leave them nor forsake them
Jesus said a king would sit on davids throne until He comes back. Only one nation can claim that title. England. And we are brother nation to England if you think about it.
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Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 8:21 pm Post subject: Re: Obama backs Israel uber alles
joelcolorado wrote:
A book called The Israel Message exlains it all. We are related by blood to the ppl in israel. So we will never ever leave them nor forsake them
Makes me wonder if you care that much for all the parasites you carrying right now, since you are related by blood to them too ( even to those which do not have any blood )
Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 8:48 pm Post subject: Re: Obama backs Israel uber alles
Its not whether you like it or not, its just the WHY that ppl are always looking for. WHY do we back them for so many years? Why unquestioning backing of Israel.
Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 11:38 pm Post subject: Re: Obama backs Israel uber alles
max_in_wa wrote:
I'm always annoyed by the Israel stories -- it seems to bring out so much latent racism.
...
I'm Jewish
So you have a race. Good for you. Guess what? So does everyone else. Your race is nothing special; it is as pedestrian as mine. Everyone has a race. Get over it already. YOU ARE NOT SPECIAL.
It's time that you started to take ownership for what has been done in your name though, since you have attached yourself to Israel's defense in this thread. Even if you can claim that you didn't directly do it, I still hold you accountable if you said nothing about it.
Israel has some of the most aggressive and hostile policies of the latter half of the 20th century in the entire world. Israel has manipulated its caretaker and benefactor, the USA, by taking advantage of America's political system by using money and wealth to gain influence in the political sphere with PACs as well as the public forum by controlling the media here. Israel takes the USA for granted. We are Israel's dumb slavish bitch, a relationship of which I'm farking sick.
As a Texan, I speak every day about what was done in my name as an American and as a 6th-generation Texan in the last 7 years. I tell everyone I know that I am ashamed at what Bush has done to sully my name as an American and Texan. And I will not stand for it. When will you do the same?? Instead of accepting responsibility, you cry foul and throw up a rhetorical shield claiming historically-removed and over-used injustices? Be a man for God's sakes and stand up for what is right for once. Since you brought up your people, I'm sick and farking tired of your people dodging responsibility for your actions. I will not write you a blank check any more.
One of the most wrong-headed things our country has done is to support the notion of Zionism and the state of Israel with no strings attached. The Zionist policy of my government along with the Jewish political organizations in the USA and their money have done much to harm us over the last 40 years.
Get all pro-Israel organizations out of our government NOW. And be honest about what has been done in the past. That is all I ask.
Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 9:44 am Post subject: Re: Obama backs Israel uber alles
Well for one, your 6th generation Texas bullshit makes me mad as I am 100 generation Cheyenne Indian so why dont YOU go home to wherever YOU came from. YOUR ancestor did exactly what you accuse others of doing and now you are living here reaping the benefits.
Are you prepared to make amends for what you did?
Its all in whos ox is being gored. isnt it.
Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 10:46 am Post subject: Re: Obama backs Israel uber alles
You don't want your land back.
The oil is used up. American dream trumps cherokees at least till the oil is gone.
I have a feeling if anyone is left in a few years, they will be on horseback, if I were you guys I would move WAY OUT and start buyin horses and saddles.
Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 11:18 am Post subject: Re: Obama backs Israel uber alles
GeoJap, From a historic perspective, the average Jew can be forgiven or at least understood for defending Israel, or being ambivalent about it's position as the bully of the Middle East. Especially when it comes to problems that can be framed as national security issues, by the fascists who run the country.
Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 11:54 am Post subject: Re: Obama backs Israel uber alles
I have no problem with jews. My problem is with the state of Israel. Plain and simple. Everyone who supports the state of Israel might have an argument with me. Might they be jews, christians, martians, vogons whatever. _________________ "We cut the earth until it bleeds, rain ashes from the sky
Just to make a light that no one can see"
-- VNV Nation - Carbon
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