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Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 5:41 pm Post subject: Re: Peak Oil - An African American Perspective
btu2012 wrote:
You are talking about African-Americans. Maybe it's cultural ?
Yes, African-Americans. Cultural? After being over here for generations? And it ain't like thay can't afford it. I guess white ppl do white ppl stuff and black ppl do black ppl stuff? No racism involved. I alpine ski raced for 30 years. Over that time period we had maybe THREE blacks in the program. In 30 years, only THREE? We go to different States to race and Blacks were notta. I mean, places like chicago, they had the Pollocks. Blacks racing? Zero.
Joined: May 18, 2006 Posts: 4381 Location: Minneapolis, MN
Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 5:43 pm Post subject: Re: Peak Oil - An African American Perspective
Pops wrote:
vision-master wrote:
Do you have no humor? Just trying to lighten things up a bit.
I laugh a lot, and in fact have quite a few jokes that span all divides.
There was a period early on the site could handle such, but the time has come when we should turn to more important subjects.
If you feel your perspective on racial matters is valuable then I am going to guess there are lots more like minded folks who feel the same somewhere else and that's the place you should discuss such.
Peak Oil has outgrown such views on this subject I'm guessing, feel free to post up anything of value.
The thread just moved this way and BTU is egging me along. Trust me, I have no hard feelings for Blacks, but they have never been part of my life. See above.
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Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 5:44 pm Post subject: Re: Peak Oil - An African American Perspective
For many of those generations they were enslaved and then segregated. Such groups always develop a different subculture, African-Americans are not unique in that regard. Think about the Jews and Gypsies in Europe etc. Yes, they have different preferences determined by their subculture.
African-Americans are culturally very different from Africans, but also quite different from Caucasian Americans. In fact the cultural difference between them and other Americans is smaller than that between them and most Africans. _________________ only the paranoid survive
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Joined: May 18, 2006 Posts: 4381 Location: Minneapolis, MN
Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 5:49 pm Post subject: Re: Peak Oil - An African American Perspective
btu2012 wrote:
For many of those generations they were enslaved and then segregated. Such groups always develop a different subculture, African-Americans are not unique in that regard. Think about the Jews and Gypsies in Europe etc.
I can understand that. Mum has a story. When she was little, a bunch went to the movie house. One kid was "colored" and they wouldn’t let him in. Mum made a commotion before they let the poor little Black kid in. Pretty sad, eh. Back in the 30's.
Joined: Sep 24, 2007 Posts: 2584 Location: third from the sun
Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 5:52 pm Post subject: Re: Peak Oil - An African American Perspective
Then you can probably agree that this history has left a mark, in that a ghetto culture was formed due to the history of segregation.
Thus you would expect some cultural differences, and culture takes a long time to change.
There is little reason to attribute that to race, given that race is such a nebulous concept especially when applied to Sub-Saharan Africans. There is more genetic difference among African-Americans than between their group median and the group median of Caucasian-Americans.
They might look the same to you because of skin color and curly hair, but they are in fact quite different from each other at a genetic level. _________________ only the paranoid survive
Joined: May 18, 2006 Posts: 4381 Location: Minneapolis, MN
Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 6:00 pm Post subject: Re: Peak Oil - An African American Perspective
btu2012 wrote:
Then you can probably agree that this history has left a mark, in that a ghetto culture was formed due to the history of segregation.
Thus you would expect some cultural differences, and culture takes a long time to change.
There is little reason to attribute that to race, especially given that race is such a nebulous concept especially when applied to Sub-Saharan Africans. There is more genetic difference among African-Americans than between them and Caucasian-Americans.
But why are they afraid of the water? Generally they don’t swim much. Matter of fact, I remember reading an article how one Police department changed their hiring rules regarding this so Blacks could be hired. No BS.
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Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 6:11 pm Post subject: Re: Peak Oil - An African American Perspective
"There have been widely held assumptions by whites that African-Americans cannot swim. Former Los Angeles Dodger vice president Al Campanis even used this stereotype in his infamous moment on "Nightline" in 1987, when he talked about blacks not having the necessities to be big league managers. Unfortunately, when one community accepts stereotypes about another, members of the community that's stereotyped often come to believe it as well. In this case, that might have kept some blacks from seeking out opportunities to swim competitively. Clearly, more pools are available in suburbs and in affluent communities where country club membership is possible. That is one reason why the YMCA is now involved with a push to teach swimming in its urban facilities."
Joined: May 18, 2006 Posts: 4381 Location: Minneapolis, MN
Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 6:12 pm Post subject: Re: Peak Oil - An African American Perspective
btu2012 wrote:
I don't know, you might wish to ask an African-American ?
Africans themselves seem to have no problem swimming.
I remember this lenghty thread (topic) on another forum once. Yes, they tend not to be big swimmers? Wading, hanging around the beach, sure. Big swimmers?
Joined: Sep 24, 2007 Posts: 2584 Location: third from the sun
Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 6:14 pm Post subject: Re: Peak Oil - An African American Perspective
What do you mean by big swimmers ? In the sense of winning sports competitions ?
Frankly it seems to be a rather silly question. Discussion of racial differences ought to start by defining what we mean by "Negroid", and that simply seems to mean "Sub-Saharan African". That's about all one can say genetically, given that this is the human group with the most intra-group variation. Lumping all of them together will teach us very little, except that their skin tends to be various shades of dark brown and their hair tends to be curly (none of which is unique to Sub-Saharan Africa, by the way). Both of these traits are easily explained adaptations to a climate which is mostly hot and involves increased UV radiation.
You might be aware that a similar (though less pronounced) difference exists between south and north Europeans, again easily explained by the different solar exposure between those regions.
It is funny that skin pigmentation plays such an important role in people's perception of each other, given that melanin content is one of the most variable traits. We all know that going to the beach has a certain effect on skin color. _________________ only the paranoid survive
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Joined: May 18, 2006 Posts: 4381 Location: Minneapolis, MN
Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 6:25 pm Post subject: Re: Peak Oil - An African American Perspective
btu2012 wrote:
What do you mean by big swimmers ? In the sense of winning sports competitions ?
Frankly it seems to be a rather silly question. Discussion of racial differences ought to start by defining what we mean by "Negroid", and that simply seems to mean "Sub-Saharan African". That's about all one can say genetically, given that this is the human group with the most intra-group variation. Lumping all of them together will teach us very little, except that their skin tends to be various shades of dark brown and their hair tends to be curly (none of which is unique to Sub-Saharan Africa, by the way). Both of these traits are easily explained adaptations to a climate which is mostly hot and involves increased UV radiation.
You might be aware that a similar (though less pronounced) difference exists between south and north Europeans, again easily explained by the different solar exposure between those regions.
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