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freddyseven
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 Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 2:38 pm Post subject: Re: Another Car runs on water hoax |
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| Armageddon wrote: | Why Doesn't Water Burn?
Every first year chemistry student knows that water is composed of two parts hydrogen and one part oxygen. That’s what that “H-two-oh” thing is all about.
In our chemistry classes, we also learned that hydrogen is just about the most combustible thing out there. You know the story of the Hindenburg and “Oh the humanity” and all that.
And we also learned that three things are needed to create a fire: fuel, oxygen, and heat.
And any third grader knows that you can put out a fire by pouring water over it.
Waitammint. Am I the only one to see a paradox here? You put out a fire by pouring two-thirds of the formula for fire on it? Gee, it seems like water should be a tinderbox, just waiting for a match to turn it into a lighter-than air blazing inferno.
What gives? Well, if you just sorta mixed up the hydrogen and oxygen then, yeah, you’d have a ball of gas that’s ready to light up like a Kuwait oil field. But that’s not what water is. The hydrogen and oxygen form together at the molecular level.
In a union that is only fully understood by God, atoms can bond together to form something completely different — something that didn’t exist before. Something that that has absolutely no characteristics of the original raw materials.
God allows us to use electrolysis to break the hydrogen and oxygen apart. But He bonds them together so tightly that it usually requires more energy to break them up than what is yielded in fuel. When God sticks things together, He generally doesn’t mess around.
In the book of Second Corinthians, the Apostle Paul tells us that “if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature”. The implication is that we are made into a new species, literally something that never existed before, something that has no characteristics of the original raw material.
I guess God knows what He’s doing. After all, He can take the most perfect fuel in the universe and turn it into a pretty good fire extinguisher.
http://themindofjoe.blogspot.com/2006/05/why-doesnt-water-burn.html |
You need to take chemistry.
Atoms have strong arm atoms with strong claws, and there are fat target atoms with fat bellies.
Oxygen is a strong arm atom with two claws
hydrogen is a small pink smurf with a fat tummy
hydrogen is good for clawing into and oxygen is a great T-rex that grabs things
when the T-rex has both claws full with two smurfs, then it lets out a roar of appreciation (energy)
but it can't grab more
the roar scares the mice on the treadwheel in the car motor and makes the car go
once the roar happens you dont have any more roar unless you roar at the oxygen and it drops the smurfs causing them to scamper away in streaks of blood trails whereupon they are fair gain for other oxygens.
the theory is to roar at water, and release the smurfs and then inject them into the motor where T-rexs oxygens can find them and grab them and scare the mice into making the car go
its all theory, but it doesnt work.
cause the T-rex's that grab the hyrogen cant grab the ethanol so some escape to party another day.
soemthing like that, I think I had a sick day on oxidation-reduction reactions in college.. |
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dukey
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| Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 3:17 pm Post subject: Re: Water-fuel car unveiled in Japan |
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Here is a scary thought ..
think about how dumb the average American is... then realise half of them are dummer than that lol. |
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Windmills
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| Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 3:26 pm Post subject: Re: Water-fuel car unveiled in Japan |
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| There's no such thing as a car that runs on water. You can crack the hydrogen out of the water and have it burn it in the engine, but in the end, it's all being run by some primary energy source, such as a battery or gasoline. Putting a water system in it just makes the whole thing waste more energy by adding in an extra unnecessary step. Makes no sense. It's a nice investor scam, or a way to take advantage of government research handouts and give some scientists paychecks and a little job security. Beyond that, it's worthless. |
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MonteQuest
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| Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 3:27 pm Post subject: Re: Water-fuel car unveiled in Japan |
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| Quote: | | The car has an energy generator that extracts hydrogen from water that is poured into the car's tank. |
Powered by the car's motor..that runs on the hydrogen generated?
Not.
| Quote: | | The term perpetual motion, taken literally, refers to movement that goes on forever. However, the term more generally refers to any closed system that produces more energy than it consumes. Such a device or system would be in violation of the law of conservation of energy, which states that energy can never be created or destroyed, and is therefore impossible. |
The man in the video claimed the car needed no external inputs to operate, just a bottle of water.
Not.
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wankmeister
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| Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 5:31 pm Post subject: Re: Water-fuel car unveiled in Japan |
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| dukey wrote: | Here is a scary thought ..
think about how dumb the average American is... then realise half of them are dummer than that lol. |
And the scariest thing of all is that they run the planet, so how stupid must the rest of humanity be? |
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Fishman
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| Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 5:52 pm Post subject: Re: Water-fuel car unveiled in Japan |
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| Key words " energy generator". No details on the "energy generator". Clearly hydrogen is not the source of the energy. |
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Novus
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| Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 5:57 pm Post subject: Re: Water-fuel car unveiled in Japan |
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| directinfo wrote: | Anyone seen this? I did a search and didn't find it on the forums yet.
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Oh come on now you know you didn't do a search on this. It is only the 8th item down on the forum.
http://www.peakoil.com/fortopic41499.html
Cars that run on water = intellectual laziness + denial |
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directinfo
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| Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 6:28 pm Post subject: Re: Water-fuel car unveiled in Japan |
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| Novus wrote: | | directinfo wrote: | Anyone seen this? I did a search and didn't find it on the forums yet.
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Oh come on now you know you didn't do a search on this. It is only the 8th item down on the forum.
http://www.peakoil.com/fortopic41499.html
Cars that run on water = intellectual laziness + denial |
I meant specifically on this article newly out today.
Of course I have seen the general theme all over.
Still the public seems ready to hear it again and again and again and believe it every time. It is the "They will think of something" religion. |
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Pops
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| Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 7:30 pm Post subject: Re: Water-fuel car unveiled in Japan |
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Yea Merle was quite the profit back in the '70's:
| Quote: | There's a big, brown cloud in the city,
And the countryside's a sin.
An' the price of life is too high to give up,
Gotta come down again.
When the world wide war is over and done,
And the dream of peace comes true.
We'll all be drinkin' free bubble-ubb,
Eatin' that rainbow stew.
When they find out how to burn water,
And the gasoline car is gone.
When an airplane flies without any fuel,
And the satellite heats our home.
One of these days when the air clears up,
And the sun comes shinin' through.
We'll all be drinkin' free bubble-ubb,
An' eatin' that rainbow stew. |
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Armageddon
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| Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 8:05 pm Post subject: Re: Water-fuel car unveiled in Japan |
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| Since the car already has a generator, why can't it be duel purposed ? Charge the battery and crack the hydrogen ? |
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Pfish
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| Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 8:09 pm Post subject: Re: Water-fuel car unveiled in Japan |
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The infamous Flux Capacitator....I love it!
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MonteQuest
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| Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 9:02 pm Post subject: Re: Water-fuel car unveiled in Japan |
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| Armageddon wrote: | | Since the car already has a generator, why can't it be duel purposed ? Charge the battery and crack the hydrogen ? |
And use the hydrogen to power the generator?
That's perpetual motion and impossible.
You cannot get more energy out of a system than you put in.
1st law of thermodynamics.
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kokoda
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| Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 9:08 pm Post subject: Re: Water-fuel car unveiled in Japan |
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They claim all that is needed is a litre of water with no other external energy source.
This could be the solution to all the world's energy woes. We could run just about everything on water.
Seriously though ... I am sure that a lot was lost in translation.
No doubt a battery is required to provide the power to split the hydrogen from the water. So much energy would be lost in this process that you would only get a fraction of the total energy back from the hydrogen.
Despite all the hoopla Hydrogen fuel cells are less effective than batteries as mediums for storing energy. |
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Armageddon
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| Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 9:33 pm Post subject: Re: Water-fuel car unveiled in Japan |
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| MonteQuest wrote: | | Armageddon wrote: | | Since the car already has a generator, why can't it be duel purposed ? Charge the battery and crack the hydrogen ? |
And use the hydrogen to power the generator?
That's perpetual motion and impossible.
You cannot get more energy out of a system than you put in.
1st law of thermodynamics. |
Why can't the battery be used as the energy source to crack the hydrogen while the car is running ? |
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Armageddon
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| Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 10:15 pm Post subject: Re: Water-fuel car unveiled in Japan |
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| Drifter wrote: | | Armageddon wrote: | | MonteQuest wrote: | | Armageddon wrote: | | Since the car already has a generator, why can't it be duel purposed ? Charge the battery and crack the hydrogen ? |
And use the hydrogen to power the generator?
That's perpetual motion and impossible.
You cannot get more energy out of a system than you put in.
1st law of thermodynamics. |
Why can't the battery be used as the energy source to crack the hydrogen while the car is running ? |
How quickly would the battery drain, and what would recharge the battery? |
The generator, lol. Believe me, I don't believe in this theory, I am just wondering if a car can crack the hydrogen while it is running by using its battery and generator. |
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