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phaster
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 Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 12:32 am Post subject: Re: Aviation Fuel price record |
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| AirlinePilot wrote: | Avgas is still climbing, up to 5.22 nationally this week.
Jet fuel had moderated ever so slightly but is back up to 3.61 nationally. |
wow, been on this board for about a year now and just found this thread...
anyway just filled up with 100LL here in San Diego and I paid $4.95 a gal
since it sound like you're also an airport bum, just thought I'd share with ya something pretty darn unique, I got to check out a pretty unique russian figher which was at the airport this afternoon
Polikarpov
if you look at the spinner (there is a photo) of the aircraft from the above link, it looks pretty darn big and that is because the engine in this thing is the same engine from the AN-2 (ironically enought there was on in the pattern this morning)
Antonov
This is one plane I wish I could own, you can buy them pretty cheap, like for 40k
Barnstormers
and there are some really nice ones that are ground up restorations
Contoller
but they burn 50 gal/hour at cruise, which works aout to about 2 MPG, and since its a radial it also burn I've heard about a gal of oil an hour. Then there is the hull insurance, which I'd guess is in the neighborhood for 10 to 20k per year a year cause its a big old trail dragger...
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AirlinePilot
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| Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 11:45 am Post subject: Re: Aviation Fuel price record |
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Avgas 5.39
Jet Fuel 3.98
The airlines are in nothing less than Deep crap. I expect some rather major announcements soon about further capacity cuts which will be more significant than any yet.
Cant keep this up for the long haul. Its either that or air travel gets really expensive really quickly. |
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Ferretlover
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| Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 12:16 pm Post subject: Re: Aviation Fuel price record |
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Flint Hills Resources explores options for North Pole refinery
By Christopher Eshleman
… Company President Brad Razook wrote in an e-mail to employees in Alaska on Monday that the Kansas-based company will explore three options — selling the plant, “reconfiguring” the site and expanding operations to increase volume and reduce operating costs. …
Razook’s e-mail indicated changes may be “needed” at the 30-year-old refinery, which relies heavily on oil as a feedstock — unlike many other refineries in the United States, which can rely largely on natural gas. …
May be losing a refinery by the end of the year
60% of the crude processed there is for aviation fuel; they are having EROEI problems due to lack of NG for processing, and, Alaska recently added new fees which were backdated to when the refinery was purchased by current owner which is adding millions to the operating costs.
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AirlinePilot
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| Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 3:02 pm Post subject: Re: Aviation Fuel price record |
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Ferret did you mod my post? I could have sworn I used the word crap.  It's a common colloquialism not meant to be malicious.
If someone edited the post please state that you did, thanks. |
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AirlinePilot
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| Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 3:03 pm Post subject: Re: Aviation Fuel price record |
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crap Fark God damn
Ahh I get it now! Interesting!
Sh1t |
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Ferretlover
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| Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 3:33 pm Post subject: Re: Aviation Fuel price record |
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| AirlinePilot wrote: | Ferret did you mod my post? I could have sworn I used the word crap. It's a common colloquialism not meant to be malicious.
If someone edited the post please state that you did, thanks. |
No, I didn't. We have a filter on that is supposed to be on the lookout for naughtly words. And, when used properly, I don't think 'crap' is all that bad!  (I see that it is still there if you are talking about the post up a couple.)
Edited to add: Hey! Why did you think it was me? You calling me a goody-two shoes, you stinker?? 
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AirlinePilot
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| Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 7:45 pm Post subject: Re: Aviation Fuel price record |
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You were the closest Mod thats all. I figured it out pretty quick actually.
I KNOW your no goody two shoes!! |
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dukey
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| Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 8:05 pm Post subject: Re: Aviation Fuel price record |
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airlines generally hedge their fuel costs or a certain %
so complicates the picture somewhat
for the us airline industry i seem to recall south west airlines hedged a lot of their fuel costs
meanwhile in EU land ..
British Airways profits soar 45%
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7404085.stm |
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AirlinePilot
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| Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 11:45 am Post subject: Re: Aviation Fuel price record |
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UAL announced today they are parking all 737 and some 747 aircraft.
100 aircraft in all. I know what I predicted yesterday but didn't think it would come so quick. With credit markets and money lending the way it is, I predict UAL is Chapter 7 within 6-9 months. They are on their death bed.
UAL parks jets |
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caliginousface
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| Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 11:13 pm Post subject: Re: Aviation Fuel price record |
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Paying 5.85 for avgas up here. Woowoooo!  |
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paimei01
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| Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 12:35 am Post subject: Re: Aviation Fuel price record |
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| Why do airline companies suffer ? Can't they just raise the price of tickets and make a profit ? or are there not enough travelers already ? |
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mcgowanjm
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| Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 7:47 am Post subject: Re: Aviation Fuel price record |
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| AirlinePilot wrote: | Avgas 5.39
Jet Fuel 3.98
The airlines are in nothing less than Deep crap. I expect some rather major announcements soon about further capacity cuts which will be more significant than any yet.
Cant keep this up for the long haul. Its either that or air travel gets really expensive really quickly. |
"Friday, June 13, 2008
Upcoming Flight Conditions
Reeling from zooming fuel prices, more airlines have just announced they will charge $15 for the first piece of checked luggage. Some are even starting to charge $2 for water and soft drinks. But why stop there? Here are some alternatives for the post-peak world.
1. Waste-The-Waist fares. Anyone over 100 lbs. gets charged $1/lb extra.
2. Deals-For-Meals. Planes will only carry one quarter of the meals and drinks required to serve all passengers. Attendants will then proceed to auction them off to the highest bidders. Should work particularly well on long international flights....
Check it out:
http://suddendebt.blogspot.com/ |
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FireJack
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| Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 11:30 am Post subject: Re: Aviation Fuel price record |
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" 2. Deals-For-Meals. Planes will only carry one quarter of the meals and drinks required to serve all passengers. Attendants will then proceed to auction them off to the highest bidders."
I'm going to make a guess that before that they would cut meals altogether and just offer water or juice regardless of the length of the flight since no one would be flying unless they absolutely had to due to the ticket prices. OF course fuel shortages might cut flights down to a need to basis (ie government cronies or military). |
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AirlinePilot
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 1:15 pm Post subject: Re: Aviation Fuel price record |
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Avgas 5.51
Jetfuel 3.97
Avgas continues its slow weekly march higher. I know I think a lot harder about flying my little bird now, but can still afford it with little problem.
I do think that the price climb with Avgas is going to really start hampering the smaller general aviation consumer fairly dramatically.
For those interested this is about as cheap as personal flying can get.....
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frankthetank
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 3:55 pm Post subject: Re: Aviation Fuel price record |
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That is a nice looking plane.
How much would it cost per hour to fly that and at what speed? I'd keep her fueled and ready to flee... Probably make Bermuda in no time!
We want to hit Mexico for one last time next winter, but i'm not booking until the last minute.
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