Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
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Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 6:12 pm Post subject: Power from the People?
Peak Oil, a serious topic indeed and hence many of the posts on peakoil.com pay testament to that fact. Without question Peak Oil offers the World a vision of such catastrophic proportions that there seems no way to fully explain or comprehend it.
Powering our needs when the oil is gone poses a serious dilemma for Mankind. For when it comes to Energy nothing compares to the diversity of application found in Oil.
It powers everything we do, and replacing this power source ids proving without doubt one of Man's toughest challenges. From heating fuel to plastics, medicines and fertilisers, Oil touches everything a nd seemingly becoming irreplaceble as we depend on it even more. If oil did just this then we could find a way out. But it is the simple act of getting around and powering that established trasnport that is causing the biggest headache.
To combat or at least stem the tide, many ideas are put forward and taken seriously, a classic example of this is the Hydrogen Economy. Seen by many as the future power. As a bridging fuel, we have Biofuel. On paper a good idea. In practice evidently ridiculously fuel inefficient.
Renewables such as solar, wind and tidal forces are seen as contributors, and look at preset to be out best solution to replenishing electrical energy at least.
Using ideas based in science, we scurry around looking for what are seemingly plausible sources of energy. So desperate have we become, Helium 3 on the Moon is a possiblity.
And it got me thinking. If respected scientists can come up with such ludicrous schemes to power the people, what if such left field thinking from the people could provide sane possibilities.
To start the ball rolling my suggestion is........
LIPOSUCTION
In all seriousness, expelled Human Fat, a good source of "stored energy" could be refined and utilised to power the needs into Mankinds future. We literally power ourselves from ourselves.
Bearing in mind that obesity is rife within the Western World, harnessing the power of the paunch could be one of the ways in which Mankind can not only power itself but solve one of its social problems.
Yes a random idea. But for now there's not much else that is going to save us.
This was my thought and I wondered if anyone else had had such out of the box ideas as to appear ludicrous but with concencus could prove the saviour of Mankind.
Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 6:43 pm Post subject: Re: Power from the People?
Static bicycles with electric generators connected to the grid. That way you could exercise your muscles and at the same time make money selling power to the grid. _________________ "You've got hardly any theory of social organization, astonishingly backward economic systems, no grasp of the machinery of historical prediction, and very little knowledge about yourselves." - Carl Sagan
Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 6:46 pm Post subject: Re: Power from the People?
Why not turn every sewage plant into a methane plant? Would it be cost effective? Share some thoughts. _________________ Everybody thinks they're righteous! Adam Baldwin "Jayne" Firefly/Serenity
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Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:41 pm Post subject: Re: Power from the People?
Don35 wrote:
Why not turn every sewage plant into a methane plant? Would it be cost effective? Share some thoughts.
One problem is that so many drugs, disinfectants, bleaches, etc, are flushed down the drains that the bacteria have problems doing their job. Lots of other indigestible (by microbes) junk in there too.
In years past, I think that many if not most municipal sewage plants used methan to provide some or much of the power that the plants needed, feeding any excess into the city grid.
Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:46 pm Post subject: Re: Power from the People?
It is not renewable. The fat farmers would have to feed their fatties with fuel-farmed foods to fatten them.
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Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:36 am Post subject: Re: Power from the People?
Gazzatrone wrote:
LIPOSUCTION
Lets assume 1/4 of barrel per fatman (pretty generous) and lets assume that 2/3 of US citizens (200 000 000) could be categorised as fat.
this would give us 50 000 000 barels of oil, means ca 2 days of business as usual... not much.
However I can imagine US entangling itself in some awful war, which can never end (some Middle East crap perhaps with rampant terrorism spreading into homeland).
I can imagine Army running out of fuel and president making his final patriotic speech:
"Citizens, your country NEED you... not you, I mean, but your fat which could fuel our jets. We had setted network of donation points... please support your country... this is the most patriotic thing you can do now..."
BTW, Cleopatra, the queen of Cartagine gave her own hair to help manufacture ropes necessary for their warships.
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Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 3:39 am Post subject: Re: Power from the People?
Spartan2 wrote:
Static bicycles with electric generators connected to the grid. That way you could exercise your muscles and at the same time make money selling power to the grid.
Not a bad idea, how much electricity could be generated from gym equipment alone. The amount of gyms that have sprung up in London alone could be beneficial to output.
its ideas like this i am talking about.
Energy we create through a leisure activity that just gets wasted.
Currently we have the heinous crime of leaving TV's on Standby, but actually not utilising a power source we create purely by the act of doing, is a greater crime.
And its not as if we need much investment to utilise this power as excercise bikes exist. We just need to develop the infrastructure to carry the power around.
Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 11:51 pm Post subject: Re: Power from the People?
What on earth makes you think that we need lipsuction to harness the energy of millions upon millions of excess pounds of fat.
Its called walking and riding to where your going anyway, uses that abundant resource way more efficiently than the two days that energyunlimited is talking about. The other great thing about it is that unlike oil usage that only increases over time, as the population loses wait the amount of energy expended for them to move themselves will show noticeable declines. I also fully agree with those talking about electric ASSIST bikes, these things are wonderful they scale the assist so that you get more help when you need it most, riding up a hill often feels no different than riding along the flat.
I think the best thing we could do to show the ridiculous wastage of energy we currently reside over is to have a government enforced day where every person has to attempt to go about there normal business but rather than the cars and buses and trucks pulling them around they have to pull their cars and trucks around. The proposterous mass of metal we drag around with cheap oil everyday just to get our relatively skinny asses around is stupid.
Saving the planet can be a real pain in the butt. Just ask Peter Bethune, who's powering his speedboat with biodiesel made of fat from his backside. In May, the 41-year-old New Zealander embarks on a voyage to promote the use of renewable fuels and to break the record for circumnavigating the globe. (Bethune hopes to finish in 65 days - 10 days faster than the current speedboat record.) His eco-friendly vessel, Earthrace, is a wave-piercing 78-foot trimaran capable of hitting 45 knots (58 mph). Of course, nobody's butt is big enough to sustain a 27,600-mile journey. Bethune's contribution amounts to only a liter of fuel; the rest comes from vegetable oils and other animal fats. Besides, liposuction hurts. "I was bruised all over," he says. "It was a personal sacrifice."
Pic of the dude pointing at his back, where he got his biofuel from.
The problem with liposuction biodiesel is its limited potential.
Only in really fat nations like the USA does it make sense.
In the US, around 480,000 liposuctions were carried out in 2005. The average yield is between 2 and 6 liters of fat. Given that the human fat that is sucked away most often (belly and hip) has a relatively high free fatty acid content, production costs of the lipo-diesel would be relatively high. You could get about 100 militer of biodiesel out of 1 liter of liposuction blubber.
But back to the potential: 480,000 times an average of 4 liters of liposuction fat, times 0.1 = 192,000 liters (50,720 gallons) per year.
Barely worth the effort.
(35 oil palm trees will do the same job.)
Its better to use the fat to make celebrity soap, like the dude who stole Berlusconi's fat and made a soap bar out of it:
The problem with liposuction biodiesel is its limited potential.
Only in really fat nations like the USA does it make sense.
In the US, around 480,000 liposuctions were carried out in 2005. The average yield is between 2 and 6 liters of fat. Given that the human fat that is sucked away most often (belly and hip) has a relatively high free fatty acid content, production costs of the lipo-diesel would be relatively high. You could get about 100 militer of biodiesel out of 1 liter of liposuction blubber.
But back to the potential: 480,000 times an average of 4 liters of liposuction fat, times 0.1 = 192,000 liters (50,720 gallons) per year.
Barely worth the effort.
(35 oil palm trees will do the same job.)
so you could use bacon fat. every time i pour off some bacon fat, it strikes me that is has energy in it.
where did the info about the liposuction come from ?
i believe you, i'd just like to find the source if possible.
Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 12:41 am Post subject: Re: Power from the People?
Gazzatrone wrote:
Spartan2 wrote:
Static bicycles with electric generators connected to the grid. That way you could exercise your muscles and at the same time make money selling power to the grid.
Not a bad idea, how much electricity could be generated from gym equipment alone. The amount of gyms that have sprung up in London alone could be beneficial to output.
Forget the gyms... prisons have weight rooms for the inmates to lift and get swole - why not change that model and fit the rooms with Stationary Bicycles hooked up to an alternator which would feed electricity to the grid... WORST possible scenario they end up producing only enough power to power the facility... better than nothing! Plus that will be one less cost passed from the justice system to the taxpayer, without the risk of releasing a criminal who is stronger than they were when they were first put into the system!
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