Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 10:57 am Post subject: Re: Will starving masses roam or stay put?
LUDI - I'm sorry my comment brought out the irrational feminist in you.
For someone who is so level headed about so much, it's a shame that your possession of a vagina so heavily biases your opinion on this matter.
I'd be very curious to see how your opinion would differ if we could somehow manage to affix a penis to you.
In short, it's a spectrum. On the scale of how to control population, the following is ordered by effectiveness.
Stern Reprimands.
Handing out condoms.
Administering birth control directly.
Sterilizing men.
Sterilizing women.
So if you want the best bang for the buck, you simply condition the acceptance of food to females on their receiving an injection that permanently prevents their ovaries from making viable eggs.
Let's say that costs X dollars.
You spend X dollars, and every woman who comes in drops from the breeding population.
1 administration, 1 less breeder.
Let's say you do the same thing for men - vasectomies are too expensive for me, so let's say we develop chemical sterilization.
So you spend X dollars, and your breeding population drops by zero.
The question then is, how much has the babies per woman number dropped based on every male?
If you average 3 babies per female, for example, you lower the total population by 3 people in 1 generation for every female you sterilize.
How much is that average lowered by sterilizing 1 male - clearly not 3.
Citing animal studies is, frankly, stupid.
Women are smart enough to figure out to sample multiple men when they want to get pregnant.
Look at the black community - how many partners does the average black female in the inner city have by age 20?
In that community, a sterilization rate of 50% of males would likely result in a much smaller population drop than the 50% it would in females.
In short, I don't really give a rats ass who you sterilize - men, women, both, neither - but it's stupid to suggest that sterilizing women wouldn't be substantially superior to sterilizing men. _________________ Massive Human Dieoff must occur as a result of Peak Oil. Many more than half will die. It will occur everywhere, including where you live. If you fail to recognize this, then your odds of living move toward the "going to die" group.
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 11:04 am Post subject: Re: Will starving masses roam or stay put?
Excellent flame, Cashmere. Really supports your argument well, I think.
I'm not sterilizing anyone.
My husband has had a vasectomy, however. Maybe you can ask him to give you the "penis perspective" on this matter. _________________ "...powerdown so soft and fluffy you'll think you're living in a pillow." - jboogy
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 11:17 am Post subject: Re: Will starving masses roam or stay put?
Anyway, just to be flounce around being more irrationally feminist, the main problem I have with the "chemical sterilization for food" program is the coercion aspect. I don't like coercion of anyone. I would not want to be sterilized in exchange for food, personally, so I do not want to advocate that for anyone else.
So if that indicates my brain has fallen out through my vagina, oh well.
_________________ "...powerdown so soft and fluffy you'll think you're living in a pillow." - jboogy
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 11:43 am Post subject: Re: Will starving masses roam or stay put?
Gadzooks, Scoob! How did this thing go from roaming to castrating?
Anyhoo ... I think the thick of the masses will roam where they are; in the cities. The braver will get on bicycles and go camping 24/7 near places where they can "borrow" small things now and then. I hope and will probably be in the second group.
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 11:48 am Post subject: Re: Will starving masses roam or stay put?
VMarcHart wrote:
The braver will get on bicycles and go camping 24/7 near places where they can "borrow" small things now and then. I hope and will probably be in the second group.
By "borrow" do you mean "steal"? Why do you hope to steal in the future, if that's what you mean by "borrow." If you mean something else, please clarify.
Planning to steal for a living doesn't seem like a very good plan, in my opinion. _________________ "...powerdown so soft and fluffy you'll think you're living in a pillow." - jboogy
Joined: Dec 27, 2004 Posts: 13191 Location: naive idiot fantasy world
Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 12:52 pm Post subject: Re: Will starving masses roam or stay put?
mos6507 wrote:
Learn something new every day.
You bet!
I couldn't find a reference to the injection to permanently sterilize women so their ovaries would "stop making viable eggs." The nearest I could find was a pellet which is inserted into the uterus which causes scarring of the fallopian tubes. Of course a woman doesn't "make eggs" - she is born with all the eggs she will ever have.
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So if you want the best bang for the buck, you simply condition the acceptance of food to females on their receiving an injection that permanently prevents their ovaries from making viable eggs.
So, I hope someone will post a link to that procedure. Thanks! _________________ "...powerdown so soft and fluffy you'll think you're living in a pillow." - jboogy
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 3:32 pm Post subject: Re: Will starving masses roam or stay put?
AgentR wrote:
mos6507 wrote:
I think what's more likely is a "zombie horde lite" which is just people strategically moving from collapsing cities to rural regions. In so doing they will destroy these rural areas with thier sheer numbers. They will move while they still have the means to do so.
Not hardly. They will be walking fertilizer once they get out of eyeshot of someone who would be forced to react to zombie-control with an official response. Which, in rural America, is pretty much everywhere.
If you intend to be one of the zombies hunting for "helpless" rural folks... understand this, a good portion of them (us/me?) are flat out nuts, have guns, and routinely shoot at or nearly at people already for no particularly good reason. Out of town zombies, trespassing?
Fertilizer.
i nominate this post as the most naive of this month. Any objections?
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 5:34 pm Post subject: Re: Will starving masses roam or stay put?
Pretorian wrote:
AgentR wrote:
mos6507 wrote:
I think what's more likely is a "zombie horde lite" which is just people strategically moving from collapsing cities to rural regions. In so doing they will destroy these rural areas with thier sheer numbers. They will move while they still have the means to do so.
Not hardly. They will be walking fertilizer once they get out of eyeshot of someone who would be forced to react to zombie-control with an official response. Which, in rural America, is pretty much everywhere.
If you intend to be one of the zombies hunting for "helpless" rural folks... understand this, a good portion of them (us/me?) are flat out nuts, have guns, and routinely shoot at or nearly at people already for no particularly good reason. Out of town zombies, trespassing?
Fertilizer.
i nominate this post as the most naive of this month. Any objections?
you could nominate it for the Dunce of the Day award _________________ “It does not do to leave a live dragon out of your calculations, if you live near him.”
J.R.R. Tolkien
"The time has come for men to act like men; and for women, well, to act a lot more like men."
-Ma Cur
Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 6:29 pm Post subject: Re: Will starving masses roam or stay put?
Dreamtwister wrote:
biofuel13 wrote:
This will ripple outward from the cities further and further into the countryside.
I wonder if zombie hordes are subject to the inverse-square law...lol!
It will be an inverse power law (approximately). i.e. 1/r with r being the radius (for small r where the earth is still approximately flat). It's just geometry.
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 8:01 pm Post subject: Re: Will starving masses roam or stay put?
Pretorian wrote:
i nominate this post as the most naive of this month. Any objections?
You can nominate all you want, and perhaps you visualize something different; or haven't tried walking cross-country in real rural areas....
Rural areas will be hideous death traps for the starving masses. Combination of factors make this so:
1.) physical strain on unprepared people trying to travel substantial distance on foot.
2.) lack of available water to support any significant concentration of roving masses.
3.) tendency of rural inhabitants to shoot people for the fun of it.
4.) tendency of local rural enforcement to not give a darn about the shootees, as long as the corpse isn't left in the road.
50 miles out from their starting point, these roving masses will be physically crippled, desperate, stupid, disorganized, unarmored... and loud...
They will not be some disciplined, armored, well supplied, well fed and watered army. They will not be carrying adequate supplies to sustain themselves, nor engage in any sort of generally successful campaign of force.
In short.. they are the walking dead....ie, zombies. Fertilizer. _________________ Yes, we are. As we are.
And so shall we remain; Until the end.
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