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green_achers
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 Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 12:54 pm Post subject: Re: Gore’s home guzzles even more energy after green renovat |
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| AlexdeLarge wrote: | I'm not a big fan, but maybe people don't give President Bush credit for doing more about helping us survive peak oil than anyone else.
Bush and Cheney are oil people. If the peak is here, then they would know it! |
If you read my post, you'll notice I used the word IF.
Unfortunately, that little invasion thing hasn't worked too well as far as "helping us survive peak oil." Pissing off the whole Middle East and emboldening characters like chavez is not the most promising strategy he could have pursued. Our army sitting atop it has just made them targets. Another example of the contempt conservatives have for the troops. They're so expendable.
And yes, I have no doubt they know about peak oil. The "off-grid" ranch makes perfect sense for a chicken-crap leader who wants to take care of himself at the expense of everyone else.
| AlexdeLarge wrote: | | Here is a doo-doo head article I posted earlier for you to consume. |
You got that right. Now I want five minutes of my life back.
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AlexdeLarge
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| Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 1:06 pm Post subject: Re: Gore’s home guzzles even more energy after green renovat |
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LOL Last time I checked, the middle east has been pissed off at us and the rest of the west long before Bush! As for Chevez, he is just your average garden variety communist thug.... just trying to make life better for us "Proletariats"! Hugo's vitriol is no different than what comes out of the daily Kos and the radical left everyday, He just wants to be loved by them! LOL
But its good to know you keep an open mind! 
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Plantagenet
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| Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 2:20 pm Post subject: Re: Gore’s home guzzles even more energy after green renovat |
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| aflurry wrote: | | Gore's main defense is that he chooses energy from renewable sources, and that he buys offsetting carbon credits |
That makes no sense at all.
First, there is no carbon release from "renewable sources." Why buy carbon offsets for something that doesn't release carbon?
Second, When Gore does buy carbon offsets, he buys them from companies he owns himself so the money goes right back into his own pocket. Maybe thats why he looks so fat----he's stuffed all his pockets with money? |
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TheDude
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| Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 2:24 pm Post subject: Re: Gore’s home guzzles even more energy after green renovat |
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| AlexdeLarge wrote: | | "Only one country has the potential for a serious increase in output, on a scale which could make a difference. The bad news is: that country is Iraq. Iraq's oil geology is not fully explored, but there are some well-informed guesses. One estimate is that there are 110 billion barrels there--equal to more than three British North Seas, or more than one third of the total resource once possessed by Saudi Arabia. |
I dug up some info on revised estimates of Iraq's URR for our thread Iraq could have largest oil reserves in the world. Your man at any rate is using figures based on the 80s revisions which the peak oil crowd question on a fundamental level. It seems likely that in order for Iraq to produce at full volume again it will take a Hussein style strong man to bring peace back to Iraq in the first place; or a massive rebuilding of infrastructure and attendant peace and prosperity. More likely the place will wind up being a battleground for resource wars as consuming nations become desperate.
Often I think Gore has deliberately set himself up to fall, for whatever nefarious purpose. Couldn't he see these obvious chinks in his armor? Some politician. He's a real unctuous drip in any case, which is unfortunate. Like many I don't see much hope for any concerted effort to combat GW - global warming, that is.
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AlexdeLarge
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| Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 2:41 pm Post subject: Re: Gore’s home guzzles even more energy after green renovat |
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Buying Carbon Offsets! LOL What a load of crap. That has to be the biggest scam since bottled water!!!
And good ole Algore is a major stockholder and scam director of one the companies that does intend to sell/trade these "carbon credits" to the politically correct clueless and the industries he hopes to shake down.
While your out buying your carbon credits, Perhaps you would consider a donation to the "Human Fund"..... care of Vandalay Industries !!! LOL
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emersonbiggins
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| Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 2:49 pm Post subject: Re: Gore’s home guzzles even more energy after green renovat |
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"Carbon credits" are the new "Federal Reserve Note" - created out of thin air, and the circulation of which makes an infinitesimally small group of people even more wealthy and powerful.
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smallpoxgirl
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| Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 3:55 pm Post subject: Re: Gore’s home guzzles even more energy after green renovat |
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| aflurry wrote: | | Well, first i'd like an explanation of how it even relates to jevons... |
This is the exact sort of scenario that Jevon's predicts. You get nice fancy new light bulbs. You've "saved the planet." So now you don't worry so much about turning the lights off when you leave the room. You've got the fancy new geothermal furnace so you crank it up instead of putting on a sweater when you get chilly. Surprise, surprise, your energy use goes up instead of down.
And yeah, Al Gore is a poser dirt bag. We're not talking about living in a cave. We're talking about not using 20 times as much energy as other Americans when other Americans already use 20 times as much energy as the rest of the world. He is absolutely gorging himself on energy and then making big bank lecturing about conservation. It's obscene.
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Isochroma
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| Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 4:43 pm Post subject: Re: Gore’s home guzzles even more energy after green renovat |
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232kwh? he's running a gro-op for sure
time to call the cops |
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mos6507
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| Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 5:24 pm Post subject: Re: Gore’s home guzzles even more energy after gre |
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| Isochroma wrote: | 232kwh? he's running a gro-op for sure
time to call the cops |
Cut him some slack. He's trying to start a tokamak fusion reactor in his basement.
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smallpoxgirl
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| Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 5:31 pm Post subject: Re: Gore’s home guzzles even more energy after green renovat |
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| Isochroma wrote: | 232kwh? he's running a gro-op for sure
time to call the cops |
That's awesome!
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Ludi
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| Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 6:10 pm Post subject: Re: Gore’s home guzzles even more energy after green renovat |
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| TheDude wrote: | | He's a real unctuous drip in any case, which is unfortunate. |
But the whales love him.
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Isochroma
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| Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 6:11 pm Post subject: Re: Gore’s home guzzles even more energy after green renovat |
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| yeah i bet those floating toxic waste pods love him |
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Ludi
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| Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 6:14 pm Post subject: Re: Gore’s home guzzles even more energy after green renovat |
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| Plantagenet wrote: | [
First, there is no carbon release from "renewable sources." |
Well, yeah, actually there can be. Trees are 100% renewable, but if you burn them, you release CO2. Same with any other plant-based fuel.
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Javaman
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| Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 6:17 pm Post subject: Re: Gore’s home guzzles even more energy after green renovat |
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| Forney2008 wrote: | | Not to defend the man, but what would his energy use be by use per square foot. Considering he has such a large house compared to most Americans, would it not be more appropriate to compare the average American's home energy use per square foot to that of Al Gore's use to see just how much of an "energy hog" Al Gore really is? |
Even on a energy use per square foot basis he is using more than average. You could argue that he doesn't really need such a large house in the first place. Certainly he shouldn't have the heated pool. Or travel around by private jet so often.
Maybe if it were possible to differentiate his personal energy use from that of his business, it would be easier to take him seriously. |
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mistel
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| Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 8:45 pm Post subject: Re: Gore’s home guzzles even more energy after green renovat |
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| It is very easy to heat a pool with solar energy. I have installed several systems in Toronto, Canada, much further north than Gore's house. It is actually the best bang for your buck in alternative energy. Gore has no excuse if he doesn't have one. |
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