Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
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Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 7:16 am Post subject: Re: Riots In Europe Over Oil
mrobert wrote:
I pay 1 Euro for milk. And around $5 a gallon. Still ... no riots in sight.
Now, that makes sense. The videos aren't real. This stuff never happened. That's why we don't see them in the U.S. It was all photoshopped by the PTB. Its really a paid for neocon advertisement to get people mad at Opec and start another war. Thanks for the warning.
Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 7:26 am Post subject: Re: Riots In Europe Over Oil
I don't say we don't have issues, or everything is fine. But come on ... let's not exagerate.
Yes, some poor people will bad because they can't consume 5 gallons to drive some tank to a mall to buy an ice-cream. They will get used to it. _________________ capitalism *is* fun | crude oil price
Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 7:57 am Post subject: Re: Riots In Europe Over Oil
mrobert wrote:
I don't say we don't have issues, or everything is fine. But come on ... let's not exagerate.
Yes, some poor people will bad because they can't consume 5 gallons to drive some tank to a mall to buy an ice-cream. They will get used to it.
Exaggerate? The videos speak for themselves.
But I find it interesting you think the poor are those that drive to malls and buy ice-cream. That sounds like the entire middle class. If you consider them "the poor", then its no wonder you are so dismissive of the riots on the videos. Let them eat cake for God's sake!
Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 8:01 am Post subject: Re: Riots In Europe Over Oil
Hagakure_Leofman wrote:
seahorse wrote:
If Al Gore's electrical usage would power 250 U.S. homes, how many homes would that power in China? India? Zimbabwe?
You can't rant about al gore in every thread seahorse.
Please explain why the world tolerates that energy hog and gives him Nobel prizes for being green? The hypocrisy. Now, I understand why Jesus got out his whip and chased the money changers out of the temple. Please do not tolerate this type of hypocrisy. Watch those videos again of people starving for food and lacking basic fuel, and tell me how one can tolerate such hypocrisy.
I don't blame Al Gore, I blame us all for tolerating this abuser. Its only bc we as a people tolerate this kind of hypocrisy and expect so little out of our "leaders" that nothing changes.
Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 8:11 am Post subject: Re: Riots In Europe Over Oil
seahorse2 wrote:
Exaggerate? The videos speak for themselves.
Blockades by truckers, farmers, fishermen and so on are so common in France that the UK police has a special plan for dealing with the backed up motorways in the UK from when the channel ferries stop. Its called "Operation Stack" and seems to go into effect two or three times a year.
As Spain is further away it does not impact us so directly but these protests are a bit more widespread than usual but hardly Paris 68, or the days of rioting across France in November 05.
When we are facing situations like the winter of discontent or so on then we can start getting really worried. At the moment the EU protests are just above average not anyting really exceptional.
Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 8:21 am Post subject: Re: Riots In Europe Over Oil
Interesting Dorlomin,
Basically, what I gather from your post is that Europe and the rest of the world have a case of the boiling frog syndrome. The rest of the world tolerates the hot water, has a few riots etc, but somehow think they will jump when the the water starts boiling? Don't count on it.
Its fascinating, really, that you all will tolerate a certain amount of civil unrest, bc "that's just the way it is" knowing that we in the US are energy hogs and even continue to reward our overconsumption by buying our dollars, tolerating our wars, and rewarding our hypocrisy with Nobel Prizes.
Maybe you don't expect more out of your country, but I expect more out of mine. I haven't grown used to the hot water. I'm a little jumpy, and plan on staying that way.
Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 8:23 am Post subject: Re: Riots In Europe Over Oil
Ok. The video is DRAMATIC.
It's all over Europe. The entire world is paralyzed, and I have just noticed that.
I bet you 10 gallons of premium gas, that I or you, can find similar video for each month of the past 20 years, over some issue. People are never satisfied.
And the media always exagerates things.
Again, I do believe in PeakOil, but dramatizing and doomeristic thinking won't help really.
What exactly is the average IQ of a person, that destroys things created by other people's hard work, just to make a useless point, and then blame an issue on the government, when really a government is not at fault.
Take Iraq for example. What exactly was the final outcome? None. The cost? Astronomical.
Does it really make everyone happy, that some country in the middle east has or hasn't democracy?
We already spent and will continue to spend amounts of money and resources in chasing ghosts, amounts which by far exceed the amount required to actually solve the problem.
Do you imagine you can ask those retards that riot and destroy, to sit the f*ck down, calm down, and discuss the issues we are facing, and try to use some collective thinking to find a solution?
Absolutely NOT.
But tell them it's the arab's fault, it's Al Gore with his mansion, and whatever else, and they will support some quick and useless measures that will have no effect and just cause us to waste more and more resources.
It's really doesn't mather that someone believes in peakoil or not. It doesn't mather if the person is optimistic or pesimistic.
All that mathers, is WHEN confrunted with a difficult situation, how people react.
It's what I am doing in the past year.
Prices went up, my quality of life went up, pretty much costing me the same amount of money. I rather sit down, think, and come up with solution.
Feel free to go outside and riot. It will get you nowhere.
I rather get a pencil, a piece of paper and start thinking. _________________ capitalism *is* fun | crude oil price
Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 8:57 am Post subject: Re: Riots In Europe Over Oil
MRobert,
I think I agree with all you have just said.
However, if population is ultimately the problem with resource depletion, there is only one solution, cull the population somehow. As you suggested in another post, you believe 25% of the population will "vanish" bc of PO. Maybe the 25% that will vanish will not be the poor, but from the rich class, the Al Gore's in life, who will have their heads lopped off like the French upperclass during the French Revolution.
Maybe, just maybe, we have all wrongly assumed the poor will die, when it is the rich that out to be concerned of the poor waking up to the reality of resource depletion. If the myth that "anyone can be successful" is every removed from the American psyche, for example, what would be the fallout? Right now, Americans certainly believe that if you work hard enough, you can be the next Sam Walton. So, what are the consequences of PO removing that myth? Acceptance of PO removes that myth, which is founded upon the idea of growth limited only by one's willingness to work.
Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 9:13 am Post subject: Re: Riots In Europe Over Oil
@seahorse2: I said useless people. Not poor. There is a BIG difference between the 2.
Let me elaborate.
A guy lives in Pakistan in a small hut, has a piece of land, grows some potatoes and tomatoes by hand, lives of those vegetables, and perhaps has a goat. You get the picture.
A guy lives in New York, and resells insurrance from an insurrance company for an added price. He drives and SUV and has all the modern life amenities.
When TSHTF who do you think goes down first?
The first guy is poor, and the second is useless.
If TSHTF, the guy in Pakistan won't even notice, while our guy in New York will probably get gunned down by one of his fellows, for a gallon of gas.
Don't worry about the American Dream. It's perfectly ok and fine. The original version that is: Work hard, live well.
Not the modern: Get a free credit card, 10 chinese slaves to work for you and spend your day doing nothing _________________ capitalism *is* fun | crude oil price
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Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 9:58 am Post subject: Re: Riots In Europe Over Oil
Hey! That's MY LOCAL RIOT! The first shot is of downtown Almeria, where I was glad not to have wandered, the day the farmers decided to throw their aubergines at the local government office.
The protest was actually about the pricing of their produce, the cost of which has not been passed on to the consumer. It was not a riot over the price of gasoline. Still, it looked good and tied in with the rest of the report.
Riots are pretty common all over europe and the world. Especially football related. See how the police come ready kitted out with all that protective gear? It's not unusual.
Seahorse2, Europeans tolerate the US guzzling only because they do not immediately perceive the Americans to be the cause of the high taxes which THEY pay on a litre or gallon of petrol. Needless to say, as you are probably aware, most of the world simply hates you for many different reasons, not least of which is your fuel hungry life style. But there's not much we can do about that, is there?
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Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 11:37 am Post subject: Re: Riots In Europe Over Oil
Jack wrote:
Very interesting.
But what's more interesting is how little of this is penetrating the U.S. media. One might think they are trying to avoid discussing troubling things, mightn't one?
Aside from NPR, most mainstream media doesn't really interest itself much with unrest in other countries. _________________ http://doomsteaddiary.blogspot.com/
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