Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 10:50 am Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
Brothers and Sisters remember :
1Co 15:57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
1Jo 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
Psa 98:1 <A Psalm.> O sing unto the LORD a new song; for he hath done marvellous things: his right hand, and his holy arm, hath gotten him the victory.
The Battles have been won - Sin and Death have been conquered, the days we live in may be difficult in some ways, but are much easier in other ways. In any case Christians seem prone to think they are the ones living in the most difficult times, when in fact, to those of us who are redeemed, we should be rejoicing - Our eternal debts have been paid.
Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 9:27 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
Some thoughts on the Trinity of God.
In order to understand how God can be three persons yet One God, let's examine the Scriptures.
"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." (1 John 5:7)
God is three persons, the Father, Word and Holy Ghost. These three together are God and equal, yet distinct.
The Word is Jesus Christ, who became flesh and dwelt among us.
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made...And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." (John 1:1-3,14)
The Trinity of the Godhead was actively demonstrated in both the Old Testament and New. Here God is speaking, yet He refers to the Lord GOD (the Father) and His Spirit as being distinct.
"Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me." (Isaiah 48:16)
So how can God be three persons, yet One? My friend, to understand this you need look no further than yourself.
"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them." (Genesis 1:26-27) Italics mine.
God created you in His own image. So when you look in the mirror, I'm sure you see yourself as being one.
You are, but look closer.
"And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ." (1 Thessalonians 5:23)
Can you see how you are three in one? You have a body, soul and spirit.
Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 8:06 am Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
Tomorrow brings another day of scheming, worship of mammon and the ever increasing attempt of the church to control its people.
I am amazed how the independents have grouped up and formed a kind of denomination which they so hate and preach against. Of course CONTROL of their people is the means to an end.
Every increasing rules and regs and classes and books to read and things to do...good grief.
Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 10:35 am Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
vision-master wrote:
Christianity will have great trouble changing and adapting in the 21st century.
As will secular humanism.
But it's true that modern health and wealth preachers will have to change their tone... poverty will become a virtue again.
dohboi wrote:
But can you do it in a way that doesn't trash the planet, please?
If Christians (and others) had consistently resisted greed, living standards would be much lower and PO in the indefinite future. _________________ "A devastating error is to set up a political system based on [individual] desire... the best dictatorship would be one where the government prevents any economical growth."
"Only scarcity and effort make life worth living."
-Pentti Linkola
Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 11:47 am Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
vision-master wrote:
Christianity will have great trouble changing and adapting in the 21st century.
The dead religions that bear the name 'Christianity' are going to die. The faith which is Christian and true is going to live and rule in this millenium when the Lord Himself returns. That is Bible. A remnant from every church where the Gospel is preached.
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Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 8:11 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
Peleg-the key buzz words in your last post: religion-dead/die
faith-live. Simple difference between "religion" vs "grace-faith".
When I read on the other threads, Luke 21:28 keeps going through my mind: "But when these things begin to take place, straighten up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near". God doesn't want us to be scared but prepared...
Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 8:52 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
mystiek wrote:
Peleg-the key buzz words in your last post: religion-dead/die
faith-live. Simple difference between "religion" vs "grace-faith".
When I read on the other threads, Luke 21:28 keeps going through my mind: "But when these things begin to take place, straighten up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near". God doesn't want us to be scared but prepared...
Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 10:10 am Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
I read this blog with interest having been involved in ministries for many years. Its sad that the naysayers here, have been influenced by the bad seeds in our midst. The tele evanglist and other scammers have certainly given christianity a bad name. and rightfully so.
I have had to pull out of a lot of things that I used to support due to excesses and crimes those men are involved with. Certainly, the money changers have taken over the temple. EVen our local church is in the new age, informations highway, take all these classes, false promotion to fake offices to keep ppl coming, go to seminar type operations. Makes me ill . I was brought up in the latter rain movement and yes, there were problems then, but the people in general sought Jesus and his love and forgiveness and were just normal, working, probably poor by our standards, people. No one had multiple cars and boats and campers and big homes. They were just folks who loved the Lord and fellowshipped on that basis. We went to a lot of meeting with Amish, Mennonite, Pentecostal, Methodist, and you name it there. All worshipping the SON and letting the other man made rules and beliefs slide.
Was a wonderful time to be alive and I believe we will see that again as ppl lose confidence in their own and the worlds ability to sustaain them.
Peace to all. I endeavor to know nothing but Jesus Christ and Him crucified.
jk
Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 11:44 am Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
vision-master wrote:
Christianity has been the machine that is destroying our planet.
Sorry VM, but that is not true. Sin has been the vehicle destroying the planet and the lives of anyone who would be decieved by it. Jesus did not intend this, and all true Christians would hear the voice of the Spirit on this regard if they were not also struggling under the religions of men to find a scrap of bread. Therefore the teachers are the more responsible. We have been called to be wise stewards of the environment which we have as a gift from God. We have the right to live off of the abundance which the Lord has made, but we error greatly when we destroy the very thing which God has given to us as a continual joy and witness.
Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 1:27 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
vision-master wrote:
Christianity has been the machine that is destroying our planet.
Vision,
Like Peleg said, what you're saying is not true. While we should always be good stewards of God's creation, Christianity is not the reason our world is dying.
The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob created a perfect world. There was no death, suffering, sin or decay. After mankind disobeyed God's only command in the garden, it brought sin, death, suffering and decay into the world. Our world is cursed and dying because of sin. Jesus died on the cross to save us from our sins but the world is still passing away.
"But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up." (2 Peter 3:10)
This world will someday be replaced by a New Heavens and New Earth.
"Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness." (2 Peter 3:13)
Some people have taken environmentalism so far that they're avocating the genocide of billions of people in an attempt to "save the planet". This is in great error and in fact Jesus said one soul is more valuable than the whole world.
"For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?" (Matthew 16:26)
Yes, let's ensure we're good stewards of God's creation but we have to remember we can't reverse the curse of sin. We can only go to the one who died for our sins, Jesus Christ.
As joel said:
"For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified." (1 Corinthians 2:2)
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Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 4:24 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
Peleg wrote:
vision-master wrote:
Christianity has been the machine that is destroying our planet.
Sorry VM, but that is not true. Sin has been the vehicle destroying the planet and the lives of anyone who would be decieved by it. Jesus did not intend this, and all true Christians would hear the voice of the Spirit on this regard if they were not also struggling under the religions of men to find a scrap of bread. Therefore the teachers are the more responsible. We have been called to be wise stewards of the environment which we have as a gift from God. We have the right to live off of the abundance which the Lord has made, but we error greatly when we destroy the very thing which God has given to us as a continual joy and witness.
Why haven’t the churches addressed the current world crises we are starting to face? Seems to me, it’s status quo/ business as usual? Keep em calm and happy an pass around the collection plate.
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