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 Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 5:52 am Post subject: Hopi Prophecy - Effects of Peak Oil (The Hopi Survival Kit) |
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The Hopi Survival Kit - Chapter 6 - Prophecies Past and Present - Page 207/ 208.
Hopi Elders Quote:
| Quote: | Let us take a look into the future through the eyes of our prophets. They say that along the way the industrialized world will have certain problems. Throughout the world people will be uncomfortable because of the changing times. The worldly woes people will be going through. People will have to make adjustments to fit themselves into new life styles and environments.
The industrialized nations will become careless in getting more of the resources they need out of the earth, oil, coal, etc. Believing all these things will last forever. Soon natural resources will be depleted. Fuel shortages will occur; industrial machinery will come to a standstill. The machinery used for planting, harvesting and transport will become useless. The white man (Bahanna) with all his intelligence and technology will not be able to repair the damage.
Now let us review our knowledge briefly, the centuries old prophecies which warned us what would happen when we forgot the principles of right and wrong in our behavior. We will see extraordinary events in Nature and Earth, including mankind: because modern man ignores the wisdom of ancient culture and religion. Modern man looks upon old wisdom and knowledge as dead, useless and no longer respected.
Modern man began to depend on the money system and no longer Mother Earth for food. According to prophecy when this happens Mother Earth will hide the nourishment which she provides because of the view that ancient food is poor man’s food.
When all food disappears modern man will try to correct his mistake, the conditions he caused upon the earth through his inventions. He will try to achieve some kind of method to heal the wound, but this will not be possible when we reach the point of no return.
Only through peace the survival of mankind and our planet Earth is possible. Only if we, the human race, are willing to change.
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MrMambo
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| Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 7:47 am Post subject: Re: Hopi Prophecy - Effects of Peak Oil (The Hopi Survival K |
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Source? Date of prophecy?
If the prophesy was made in the 70-ties or now its nothing mystical... its just a fairly common sence perspective put in "native"-style wording.
Now if the prophesy was made in 1750 or so I would be more impressed. |
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| Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 8:02 am Post subject: Re: Hopi Prophecy - Effects of Peak Oil (The Hopi Survival K |
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| MrMambo wrote: | Source? Date of prophecy?
If the prophesy was made in the 70-ties or now its nothing mystical... its just a fairly common sence perspective put in "native"-style wording.
Now if the prophesy was made in 1750 or so I would be more impressed. |
Date? 1100 A.D from Maasaw, sent by the Great Sprit.
Handed down to Chief Dan Evehema through the Elders.
Chief Dan Evehema's Message to Humankind
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biofuel13
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| Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 8:36 am Post subject: Re: Hopi Prophecy - Effects of Peak Oil (The Hopi Survival K |
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| Hey Vision! Glad you picked up the book! Are you enjoying it so far? |
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| Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 9:03 am Post subject: Re: Hopi Prophecy - Effects of Peak Oil (The Hopi Survival K |
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| biofuel13 wrote: | | Hey Vision! Glad you picked up the book! Are you enjoying it so far? |
Very cool. What ppl don't realize are that the Prophecies have alot of if's. |
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biofuel13
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| Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 9:15 am Post subject: Re: Hopi Prophecy - Effects of Peak Oil (The Hopi Survival K |
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[quote="vision-master"] | biofuel13 wrote: |
Very cool. What ppl don't realize are that the Prophecies have alot of if's. |
Very true. There are many "ifs" and contingencies involved in the Hopi Prophecies. Taken in a broad view though, they are very very accurate. Amazing for information passed to them over 1,000 years ago. |
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| Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 9:17 am Post subject: Re: Hopi Prophecy - Effects of Peak Oil (The Hopi Survival K |
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[quote="biofuel13"] | vision-master wrote: | | biofuel13 wrote: |
Very cool. What ppl don't realize are that the Prophecies have alot of if's. |
Very true. There are many "ifs" and contingencies involved in the Hopi Prophecies. Taken in a broad view though, they are very very accurate. Amazing for information passed to them over 1,000 years ago. |
How could these "stick" people know?  |
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| Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 10:30 am Post subject: Re: Hopi Prophecy - Effects of Peak Oil (The Hopi Survival K |
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| vision-master wrote: | | biofuel13 wrote: | | Hey Vision! Glad you picked up the book! Are you enjoying it so far? |
Very cool. What ppl don't realize are that the Prophecies have alot of if's. |
Then it isn't a prophecy.
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biofuel13
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| Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 1:11 pm Post subject: Re: Hopi Prophecy - Effects of Peak Oil (The Hopi Survival K |
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| mos6507 wrote: |
Then it isn't a prophecy. |
I'm not sure anything outside the Torah qualifies as prophecy in your world Mos. |
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 2:22 am Post subject: Re: Hopi Prophecy - Effects of Peak Oil (The Hopi Survival K |
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| Quote: | | The industrialized nations will become careless in getting more of the resources they need out of the earth, oil, coal, etc. Believing all these things will last forever. Soon natural resources will be depleted. Fuel shortages will occur; industrial machinery will come to a standstill. The machinery used for planting, harvesting and transport will become useless. The white man (Bahanna) with all his intelligence and technology will not be able to repair the damage. |
In 1100 what did the Hopi know of industrialization, nation states or white men? What is the Hopi word for "industrialization"? |
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 10:02 am Post subject: Re: Hopi Prophecy - Effects of Peak Oil (The Hopi Survival K |
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| Quote: | There will be roads in the sky
There will be moving houses of iron
There will be horseless carriages
Men will have the ability to speak through cobwebs
Men will have the ability to speak through space
Men's clothing will be taken over by woman
Woman's skirts will be raised above the knee, devaluing the sacred body of the female, indicating that many things will be devalued from the original
One day strange people will appear in our midst, people who create man in their own image. Once given his language and knowledge, our own people will become the instrument by which he will rule over us and carve the rest of us into his image. Our own people will become his tools and he will make certain they do a good job.
As time goes by, for self-gain, people will struggle for power to rule
Each race will create a different system to go by, once their leadership becomes distorted by mistakes or destructive ways.
Through the inspiration and the forewarning of the Great Sprit, man could foretell events centuries in advance, and therefore know that one-day strange people would come ashore to take over the land.
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Koyaanisqatsi
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 5:01 pm Post subject: Re: Hopi Prophecy - Effects of Peak Oil (The Hopi Survival K |
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| vision-master wrote: | There will be roads in the sky...
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Thanks! That's very informative (and remarkable). But how does one go from that to
| Quote: | | The industrialized nations will become careless in getting more of the resources they need out of the earth, oil, coal, etc. Believing all these things will last forever. Soon natural resources will be depleted. Fuel shortages will occur; industrial machinery will come to a standstill. The machinery used for planting, harvesting and transport will become useless. The white man (Bahanna) with all his intelligence and technology will not be able to repair the damage. |
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Just curious. |
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 5:14 pm Post subject: Re: Hopi Prophecy - Effects of Peak Oil (The Hopi Survival K |
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I don't know. What I understand is Dan Evchema was one of the last traditional Hopi Elders alive and wanted to share his knowledge of the Hopi Prophecies before his death as he seemed to think we are in the final hour.
What's important is the message. Even if the prophecy about the industrialized world was formulated 100 years ago by the Hopi Elders, I'd say it's pretty profound. Matter of fact It's a very profound idea TODAY! The Elders are "stick" people, How can they know these things? Baffling. |
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biofuel13
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 7:38 pm Post subject: Re: Hopi Prophecy - Effects of Peak Oil (The Hopi Survival K |
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Baffling, intriguing, shocking and scary!
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And it also makes me a bit jealous that they were able to reach a level of oneness with the universe to receive this info. It is a level that I have yet to achieve. |
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Koyaanisqatsi
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 8:33 pm Post subject: Re: Hopi Prophecy - Effects of Peak Oil (The Hopi Survival K |
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| biofuel13 wrote: | Baffling, intriguing, shocking and scary!
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I was going to comment something very similar, you beat me to it. Emphasis on scary!
K. |
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