Don’t worry, just a little bump - $70 is just around the corner. Short traders just keep making those margin calls, mortgage the house if you have to. Fortunes await you! PO is for pansies and doomers. At $70 short some more ..... it is going back to $22 .... the world is awash with oil ........ reality has nothing to do with it, its all in those charts!!!!!!!!!!
Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 8:13 am Post subject: Re: Big city dwellers...what's your plan?
Bugged out 19 years ago to a small rural village (store, fire dept and community center). Left congested and overgrown Fairfax County, VA. Now I have 3 forested acres and a growing garden. On site water with manual capability and a good, dependable well. Also, creeks are a short walk away and they flow even in drought. On site gravity fed septic system, large wood stove on the way, plenty of seasoned firewood and stored Mountain House along with cans of frozen non-hybrid seeds. A good deal of pistol ammunition and tools. Very small mortgage I can pay-off if pressed to do so. The area is on a dirt road (scares city folk and shiny cars and motorcycles) and simply "out of the way". Have worked 5 miles up the road for the local town government for 19 years now and already retired once. Wife does the same. Can bike to work if need be as I have 3 good mountain bikes and could get a scooter.
Bugged out not for PO but because I was "country at heart" and needed to escape the city. Now I'm glad I did and still have a LONG way to go to be prepared. But working on it daily.
Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 8:36 am Post subject: Re: Big city dwellers...what's your plan?
What happens when travel becomes too costly? When those in the 'burbs can no longer afford to drive to the city to work? Well... Chicago will be viable for some time, it's the best big city in America and those living "out" will move "in." City real estate will experience a brief revival from those still living the delusion of "normal" life as suburbanites move to the city. That will be my cue to leave. Will I have enough time to construct a survival village of like minded people, especially starting from scratch. No, I don't think so, still, I'll do the best I can.
This week Jim Puplava's weekly podcast admitted that events have moved far faster than even he imagined, so no creamy filling for us. Someday, probably soon, a tsunami of reality will crash over the masses. How 'bout that for a life changing event. The truth is we've been Fark from the beginning, it just takes time, inertia being what it is. So... _________________ Who is John Galt?
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Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 9:28 am Post subject: Re: Big city dwellers...what's your plan?
Hi,
I'm 23 years old, poor and renting in a city (Amsterdam). My situation doesn't allow me to move away or buy a house in the next few years, so my only option is to stay in the city, prepare and hope for the best.
I am VERY interested in ideas on how to prepare in the city and how to do that with a limited amount of money. _________________ "The hardest thing in the world to understand is the income tax." ~ Albert Einstein
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Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 9:33 am Post subject: Re: Big city dwellers...what's your plan?
mark wrote:
What happens when travel becomes too costly? When those in the 'burbs can no longer afford to drive to the city to work? Well... Chicago will be viable for some time, it's the best big city in America and those living "out" will move "in." City real estate will experience a brief revival from those still living the delusion of "normal" life as suburbanites move to the city. That will be my cue to leave. Will I have enough time to construct a survival village of like minded people, especially starting from scratch. No, I don't think so, still, I'll do the best I can.
This week Jim Puplava's weekly podcast admitted that events have moved far faster than even he imagined, so no creamy filling for us. Someday, probably soon, a tsunami of reality will crash over the masses. How 'bout that for a life changing event. The truth is we've been Fark from the beginning, it just takes time, inertia being what it is. So...
I agree with you assessment of Chicago and its outlying areas for anything less than a Matt Savinar envisioned crash (in that case who knows what is good unless you are already there).
Have been listening to Puplava's web casts for the last year also. The guy is very Peak Oil aware if you've never heard him. Link below:
Jim Puplava _________________ Skeptical scrutiny in both Science and Religion is the means by which deep thoughts are winnowed from deep nonsense-Carl Sagan
Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 11:04 am Post subject: Re: Big city dwellers...what's your plan?
kakkerlak wrote:
Hi,
I'm 23 years old, poor and renting in a city (Amsterdam). My situation doesn't allow me to move away or buy a house in the next few years, so my only option is to stay in the city, prepare and hope for the best.
I am VERY interested in ideas on how to prepare in the city and how to do that with a limited amount of money.
Relocating to a rural area may not be necessary (unless you believe in an instant chaos situation, which I think is quite unlikely even with a fast oil production decline). In fact it could be a big mistake unless you had a truly self-sustaining farm, which is quite expensive to acquire. In the city you have mass transit and more job opportunities. I'd guess that Amsterdam is the last place where the Dutch government would allow actual food shortages if such can be avoided. It would be a major advantage to get a skill that will still be in demand after PO, like in the energy sector, food processing, clothesmaking or shoemaking (shoes will probably be in very high demand). Having family members / relatives around and being part of a larger community is essential as well; admittedly this isn't always easy in a big city. _________________ "A devastating error is to set up a political system based on [individual] desire... the best dictatorship would be one where the government prevents any economical growth."
"Only scarcity and effort make life worth living."
-Pentti Linkola
Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 4:25 pm Post subject: Re: Big city dwellers...what's your plan?
I intentionally moved INTO the middle of NYC over a year ago. As I see it, major cities will be the last place where utilities and supplies are allowed to run out. So far it's worked out pretty well for me.
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Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 6:39 pm Post subject: Re: Big city dwellers...what's your plan?
I am in London, and agree with xerces that the major cities will be the last places to go under. Dense population and easy distribution networks. It is the country folk that dont own land or produce anything that will suffer first. Most country villages or towns dont have reliable public transport links, even more donthave shops! they were closed due to out of town mega centres that offered cheaper deals.
Anyway who wants to live in the countryside, it smells funny and you cant get anything you want delivered to your front door at anytime of the day
Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 7:21 pm Post subject: Re: Big city dwellers...what's your plan?
Southeastern Virginia has more than one million people and hubby has a good job with the government, so we're planning to stay put. However, I do have a plan to "bug out" if things around here get ugly and travel west.
In the meantime, my garden is planted and I've made other preparations. And I pay mighty close attention to the local and national news. I think - for those paying attention - there will be signs before TSHTF.
I believe it'll be a slow decline and not a fast collapse. And I do a lot of praying these days, hoping to be divinely led to do the right thing at the right time.
Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 9:39 pm Post subject: Re: Big city dwellers...what's your plan?
Farknight wrote:
Bugged out 19 years ago to a small rural village (store, fire dept and community center). Left congested and overgrown Fairfax County, VA. Now I have 3 forested acres and a growing garden. On site water with manual capability and a good, dependable well. Also, creeks are a short walk away and they flow even in drought. On site gravity fed septic system, large wood stove on the way, plenty of seasoned firewood and stored Mountain House along with cans of frozen non-hybrid seeds. A good deal of pistol ammunition and tools. Very small mortgage I can pay-off if pressed to do so. The area is on a dirt road (scares city folk and shiny cars and motorcycles) and simply "out of the way". Have worked 5 miles up the road for the local town government for 19 years now and already retired once. Wife does the same. Can bike to work if need be as I have 3 good mountain bikes and could get a scooter.
Bugged out not for PO but because I was "country at heart" and needed to escape the city. Now I'm glad I did and still have a LONG way to go to be prepared. But working on it daily.
You sound in pretty good shape. But I am wondering about the people stuck in the big city and what they gonna do if they can't move?
Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 9:42 pm Post subject: Re: Big city dwellers...what's your plan?
mark wrote:
What happens when travel becomes too costly? When those in the 'burbs can no longer afford to drive to the city to work? Well... Chicago will be viable for some time, it's the best big city in America and those living "out" will move "in." City real estate will experience a brief revival from those still living the delusion of "normal" life as suburbanites move to the city. That will be my cue to leave. Will I have enough time to construct a survival village of like minded people, especially starting from scratch. No, I don't think so, still, I'll do the best I can.
This week Jim Puplava's weekly podcast admitted that events have moved far faster than even he imagined, so no creamy filling for us. Someday, probably soon, a tsunami of reality will crash over the masses. How 'bout that for a life changing event. The truth is we've been Fark from the beginning, it just takes time, inertia being what it is. So...
Have you done any work researching where your gong to bug out to?
One thing that hurt me was taking to late to get going with the food production garden. If you wait until it very late you may get hurt unless you have already made the mistakes and know what you are doing with growing food.
Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 9:48 pm Post subject: Re: Big city dwellers...what's your plan?
xerces wrote:
I intentionally moved INTO the middle of NYC over a year ago. As I see it, major cities will be the last place where utilities and supplies are allowed to run out. So far it's worked out pretty well for me.
I have cut my electricity usage by 80%, gas usage by 99%. My gross annual income has tripled in the last 2 years, and I finally got my own urban permaculture side-business running.
Interesting direction...going into the eye of the storm so to speak.
I talked with a guy from NY that was big on permaculure. He had a group he was member to that would pool money and buy preps each month. Is permaculture and PO preps taking off in NY? Do you pan on sticking it out in the big city? What would cause you to move out?
Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 9:51 pm Post subject: Re: Big city dwellers...what's your plan?
kakkerlak wrote:
Hi,
I'm 23 years old, poor and renting in a city (Amsterdam). My situation doesn't allow me to move away or buy a house in the next few years, so my only option is to stay in the city, prepare and hope for the best.
I am VERY interested in ideas on how to prepare in the city and how to do that with a limited amount of money.
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