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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 5:25 am    Post subject: Re: Empty pumps in Western Virginia and Virginia Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Thanks for the post, hope_full. It's always good to hear first-hand experiences. I think sometimes gas station owners skip higher grade gasolines stocks due to lower sales and profits. If we start seeing this regularly around the US, it might start to raise some alarms. But I'm just guessing. Perhaps other members here can give you a better answer than I can.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 5:41 am    Post subject: Re: Empty pumps in Western Virginia and West Virginia Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Some small scale station owners simply cannot afford the next tankful and are therefor draining existing supply as much as possible before purchasing another load. I'm certain some station owners will not openly admit this problem for fear of damaging consumer confidence in the stations' ability to provide for the customer. I am not aware of any supply disruptions in the area that would cause a fuel shortage.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 6:06 am    Post subject: Re: Empty pumps in Western Virginia and West Virginia Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

In my country smaller stations are saying they can't afford being in business anymore. Their income-per-liter is fixed so they can't go on sustaining expenses.
I think we'll see a lot of closed stations, not because of gas shortages, but because of bankrupts.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 6:21 am    Post subject: Re: Empty pumps in Western Virginia and West Virginia Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

nobody is buying higher grades anymore.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 6:33 am    Post subject: Re: Empty pumps in Western Virginia and West Virginia Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Barbara wrote:
In my country smaller stations are saying they can't afford being in business anymore. Their income-per-liter is fixed so they can't go on sustaining expenses.
I think we'll see a lot of closed stations, not because of gas shortages, but because of bankrupts.
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Yup. And as prices go higher, that means less people driving which results in less profits. This is in a world in which the station owner needs more money because of inflation, etc. That pushes them out of business. We'll just have to get used to it. This is pretty natural though. If we're running low on oil over the next few years, why would we need all of these gas stations?
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 6:48 am    Post subject: Re: Empty pumps in Western Virginia and West Virginia Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I have seen a number of mostly smaller, Mom-and-Pop-style gas stations going out of business in the Virginia countryside.

The problem of gas theft is growing in the urban areas. Some thieves are making off with astounding quantities of gasoline. In Richmond some guy did something to the pump that enabled him and a succession of allied vehicles to steal multiple tankfuls.

Also I saw an article in a paper saying that gas stations' thinning profit margin is making credit-card fees unsupportable; a few will no longer accept credit cards---surely Americans' most important source of "cash."

Ultimately gas stations may come to resemble armed forts, with many restrictive controls in place, including, eventually, rationing.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 6:56 am    Post subject: Re: Empty pumps in Western Virginia and West Virginia Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Tell your husband that keeping the tank full ensures that the fuel pump stays cool and doesn't stop working. Running the tank down can also put fuel injection systems at risk. For everything you do to prepare, there's always at least 10 other good reasons to do it.

In terms of rural stations, I haven't seen in pump outages here in the backwoods around Nashville. Things seem pretty status quo.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 10:06 am    Post subject: Re: Empty pumps in Western Virginia and West Virginia Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Have yet to see this in Southern California yet, but have read in the LA Times, and Orange County Register it is currently a problem is outlying areas of Northern California.

Gas is expensive, $4.67, but it is currently available in all grades. Better expensive gas than "NO GAS".
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 10:35 am    Post subject: Re: Empty pumps in Western Virginia and West Virginia Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

hope_full wrote:
PS. My husband thinks I'm a nut because I insist that we keep the gas tank above half-full.


This is one of those factors that few people have considered. What happens to demand for gasoline when the majority of people start keeping their tanks half full or better?
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 11:29 am    Post subject: Re: Empty pumps in Western Virginia and West Virginia Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 11:44 am    Post subject: Re: Empty pumps in Western Virginia and West Virginia Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

We do have stations in our area (Western NC/Piedmont NC) who are charging a different price if you use credit cards. That's not that unusual, since some franchises have always had a slight difference per gallon (say .03) but now the signs say "Cash price posted". If you want to use a credit card you will pay 3-4% more per gallon, Which right now is 12-16 cents per gallon. There are rumblings that they may just stop taking the cards all together because it is very confusing and is angering folks who are mad about having to pay more. (I know, not logical, but they're mad so they have to take it out on someone and they can't get to the credit card companies I guess.)

I always use my debit card and pay at the pump, but my gas station isn't charging the fee yet. If they start I will definitely move to cash. It's probably just a matter of time...

Also, there are reports of the Mom and Pop stations here and there closing due to not being able to afford the next load of fuel, but I have no firsthand knowledge of it.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 2:51 pm    Post subject: Re: North American Fuel Shortage Reports Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Mexico begins rationing gasoline to station owners

As likely as not an artificial shortage, to deal with Nortenos hopping the border to get some of that subsidized action. But still...

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Avina said demand for diesel has gone up 36 percent in the first six months of this year, compared with the same period of 2007, while gasoline sales spiked 25 percent. Pemex has confirmed those numbers.

Some 20 gas station owners held a closed-door meeting yesterday morning with Arturo Gomez, the commercial division chief at the Pemex plant in Rosarito Beach. He told them gasoline was being rationed because of distribution problems, two owners said afterward.

However, Avina said Pemex is taking a protectionist position to force the region's gas stations to stop selling subsidized gasoline and diesel to drivers from the United States.

The Mexican government heavily subsidizes fuel to protect transportation from international market forces, which have driven up fuel prices in the United States to unprecedented levels.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 5:47 am    Post subject: Re: North American Fuel Shortage Reports Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote


This gas pump at the 7-11 at 84th Street and Highway 21 states the obvious as Petro-Canada continues to have distribution and supply problems as a result of the shutdown.


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No quick fix for Petro-Can fuel shortage
Refinery malfunction forces a shutdown, stations left without gasoline

By Jordie Dwyer
Record Staff
Tuesday August 19, 2008

Paul Grigaitis/Fort Record

Some drivers looking to fill up with Petro-Canada gasoline are having to find other options as of late.

Due to a malfunction in a key part of gasoline production at the Petro-Canada Strathcona County refinery last week – the catalytic cracking unit – the refinery was forced to temporarily shut down, reducing the volume of gasoline being delivered to some customers and associates.

The catalytic cracking unit is the last stop before refined gasoline comes out of the refinery and can be put into vehicles.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 2:50 pm    Post subject: Re: North American Fuel Shortage Reports Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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Slowdown at North Pole refinery leaves tanks dry in Interior Alaska
By Rena Delbridge

Originally published Wednesday, August 20, 2008 at 6:42 p.m.
Updated Thursday, August 21, 2008 at 11:54 a.m.

FAIRBANKS -- Operational issues at Flint Hills Resources’ North Pole refinery put a crimp in unleaded gas supplies, leaving at least one independent gas station dry for a short time earlier this week.

Gas pumps at Riverview Quick Stop were bagged closed Wednesday morning as manager Lois Hein sought fuel to fill empty tanks.

Supplies had run dry, and she was told a slowdown at Flint Hills Resources Alaska’s North Pole refinery was cutting off smaller gas stations like the Badger Road business.

Hein called two fuel suppliers, and was told by both that they couldn’t deliver because they weren’t getting a supply from the refinery.

Two major bulk suppliers, Alaska Petroleum and Big State Logistics, get the majority of their unleaded gasoline supplies from the refinery. They retail the product to commercial bulk accounts and gas stations throughout Alaska. Representatives of both businesses said the refinery problems did pinch supplies at the end of last week, but that the refinery operators say the slowdown won’t last long.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 2:51 pm    Post subject: Re: North American Fuel Shortage Reports Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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(Published August 21, 2008)
FAIRBANKS, Alaska — At least one Fairbanks area gasoline station was shut down this week after an operations slowdown at Flint Hills Resources' North Pole refinery.

Pumps at the Riverview Quick Stop were closed Wednesday morning after tanks of unleaded gas ran empty.

Jeff Cook, a spokesman for Flint Hills Resources Alaska, said the refinery is running, but is experiencing operational problems that affect gasoline production. Flint Hills Resources Alaska is a subsidiary of Wichita, Kan.-based Flint Hills Resources, which is owned by Koch Industries.

The North Pole refinery is working on resolving those issues, Cook said.

"We are attempting to secure additional gasoline supply from other sources to help meet demand," he said.


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