Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 1:32 pm Post subject: Re: Why not just give up?
POAlex wrote:
They've been told mother earth is more important than their eternal soul.
Really? How is that? I love nature as God loves nature and see it through it's/her/his eyes. If you don't get that the spirit is advocating for nature and against human excess, you may understand the bible, strictly speaking, but you have not a clue about the great mysterious "other" who has woven itself into everything, including all of your delusions.
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 11:37 pm Post subject: Re: Why not just give up?
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As for the OP, I think the reason I have not given up is because I actually think my life will be dramatically better post-peak. I have just about had it with the so-called technological wonders of modern society and will be very happy to see much of it go away.
I am especially looking forward to the thunderous silence of vehicle after vehicle sitting, rusting, to make no sound ever again. Ah, I almost get giddy just thinking about the beautiful silences to come in the near future...
Ah yes, to be replaced by. . .
I'm kind of the same way though. After learning about PO, I am less depressed than I used to be. I have this fantasy that someone will come back from the past--someone like King Arthur, and inspire us all to great acts of heroism that we might all start to pull together to solve this massive problem. But most will be totally clueless til the very end, and King Arthur is not coming back. I always have this one thought to guide me--out of every bad thing that happens, some good will come of it. As much as PO scares me--the thought of no PO scares me worse.
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Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 12:59 pm Post subject: Re: Why not just give up?
Johnvancouver wrote:
I don’t really feel doomed or hopeless. People who mistaken our wasteful and ignorant way of life as the only way to live are more likely to feel doomed and hopeless. To some of us, PO is also an opportunity to bring back the simpler way of life and reestablish a balance between man and nature. I think we can manage the transition if we learn to live on less and not trying to grab what we can at other people's expense.
And most people need help with that imaginative process. I think that they start to see it when they have "weird" neighbors who turn their front lawn into a garden, bike everywhere they go or use the root cellar on their rural property or can their own veggies. I know those things are not "enough" to manage all that the future holds but it is a way to prime the imaginative pump and encourage others to start making changes for the future. _________________ "Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain."
-Friedrich von Schiller
"What I try, may not work. It may be ineffective. It might even turn out in the pages of history to be the exact wrong thing to do, but I'm going to try to do what I c
Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 1:30 pm Post subject: Re: Why not just give up?
culicomorpha wrote:
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As for the OP, I think the reason I have not given up is because I actually think my life will be dramatically better post-peak. I have just about had it with the so-called technological wonders of modern society and will be very happy to see much of it go away.
I am especially looking forward to the thunderous silence of vehicle after vehicle sitting, rusting, to make no sound ever again. Ah, I almost get giddy just thinking about the beautiful silences to come in the near future...
And it's not just for silence, there's also "sight's noise". Let the stars shine again! _________________ anagami.net
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Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 8:20 pm Post subject: Re: Why not just give up?
joelcolorado wrote:
Give up to WHAT? That is stupid. Then only way out of here is death itself and most ppl are chickens.
Well, yes, I suppose ultimately , give up to death. For some of us, Death hovers near constantly, perhaps as a friend. _________________ "...powerdown so soft and fluffy you'll think you're living in a pillow..." - jboogy
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Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 8:36 pm Post subject: Re: Why not just give up?
Doomed and hopeless is a relative concept. To some folks who are very oil addicted and live a very plastic, false life, who has never had to really struggle the probable coming change in life style is going to feel very hopeless. To my amish buddies, I doubt they will notice anything other than shorter lines when they go to Walmart and less vehicles running their horse and buggys off the road. For me, as a Christian, I believe God wants me to be prepared not scared. Psalm 37: 25-"I have been young and now I am old, yet I have not seen the righteous foresaken or his descendants begging bread." (Ludi, I'm so sorry to hear about your babies!)
Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 8:41 pm Post subject: Re: Why not just give up?
stepka wrote:
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As for the OP, I think the reason I have not given up is because I actually think my life will be dramatically better post-peak. I have just about had it with the so-called technological wonders of modern society and will be very happy to see much of it go away.
I am especially looking forward to the thunderous silence of vehicle after vehicle sitting, rusting, to make no sound ever again. Ah, I almost get giddy just thinking about the beautiful silences to come in the near future...
Ah yes, to be replaced by. . .
I'm kind of the same way though. After learning about PO, I am less depressed than I used to be. I have this fantasy that someone will come back from the past--someone like King Arthur, and inspire us all to great acts of heroism that we might all start to pull together to solve this massive problem. But most will be totally clueless til the very end, and King Arthur is not coming back. I always have this one thought to guide me--out of every bad thing that happens, some good will come of it. As much as PO scares me--the thought of no PO scares me worse.
We all have to find the King Arthur or Guiniveer within ourselves. Our culture has become so low brow, so celebrity obsessed, trivial and superficial, it will be a great relief to retrieve some innate nobility of spirit. It could happen!
Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 9:29 pm Post subject: Re: Why not just give up?
I'm a student of history and a fan of history and I have written more than a few articles about the early years of the 20th Century (which was a fascinating time). And my parents were teenagers in the first years of the Great Depression. I know that we can survive tough times, as long as we're careful and prudent and don't panic. Most importantly, we need to pay extra close attention to our history so we can figure out what's coming next.
As to giving up, I will never, ever, never give up. It is my whole-hearted intention to survive whatever comes next and eventually become one of those wizened and withered old people who shares my stories with the young 'uns who have no idea "how things used to be."
And I am hopeful that there will be many blessings amidst these hard times. One of the most popular shows of the turbulent 1970s was The Waltons, which told the story of a Depression-era family who lived a hard-scrabble but happy and simple existence. I think the folks at this website have a "knowing" that this current American lifestyle isn't healthy or right or whole or good, and that things MUST change. Change doesn't come easily - usually.
As Shakespeare said, "Sweet are the uses of adversity, which like a toad, ugly and venemous, wears yet a precious jewel in his head."
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Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 9:52 pm Post subject: Re: Why not just give up?
Hopefull-there definitely will be blessing amidst the change, the Waltons was a really neat show, but of course its still Hollywood...Alot of folks on this forum will have developed the proper mindset to adapt accordingly, what I dread are the people around me who have a haughty, I'm better and wealthier, etc attitude (spoiled)-these people will not adapt as well. We are a very spoiled nation, as a physician, I dread it when shortages occur and these people scream and stomp their feet because they want something now and it is not available. That is another reason I told my husband when we buy our farm I want to grow Jatropha (smiley face-I haven't been able to get one on my post yet so I will just type the words!) and raise the chickens that lay the light green eggs.
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Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 7:25 am Post subject: Re: Why not just give up?
mystiek wrote:
Hopefull-there definitely will be blessing amidst the change, the Waltons was a really neat show, but of course its still Hollywood.
My father in law always pointed out that the Waltons were quite well to do. They owned a mountain and drove an automobile. We should all be as fortunate as the Waltons! _________________ "...powerdown so soft and fluffy you'll think you're living in a pillow..." - jboogy
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 3:31 pm Post subject: Re: Why not just give up?
hope_full wrote:
I'm a student of history and a fan of history and I have written more than a few articles about the early years of the 20th Century (which was a fascinating time). And my parents were teenagers in the first years of the Great Depression. I know that we can survive tough times, as long as we're careful and prudent and don't panic. Most importantly, we need to pay extra close attention to our history so we can figure out what's coming next.
This is a big if. I go to school with people who panic if their cell phone doesn't work. What is their reaction going to be when they *gasp* realize that they are going to have to give up their sugarcoated life for a life of hard work? I sense a major panic when people first realize this. _________________ ...and somewhere, right now, Jimmy Carter is laughing.
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