The truth about Al Gore

dohboi · Light Sweet Crude Joined: Dec 05, 2005 Posts: 1121

HL, I agree that if we are going to use our dwindling resources and sinks for anything, it should be for education and spreading the word. Most of those who go after Gore for his energy use or anything else are just right wing spin-meisters who would go after Gore no matter what he did. Remember how they tried to portray his as a chronic liar during the election--and now we have the ever-truthful Bush; what a sad joke.

My main disappointment with Gore is how little, after writing an excellent book about it, he brought up global warming during the Clinton elections and presidency and during his own run for president. My take is that the system saw him as a deep threat so co-opted him by tempting him with (the illusion of) power and distracting him with relatively unimportant projects. Who said that he'd rather have his enemies inside the fence pissing out than outside pissing in?

Many, including Gore, have written about the bubble you enter when you go into presidential politics. Advisers come to control every thing you say and every move you make. The paranoia about alienating any block of voters or funders makes all you messages into the mush we see the candidates spew.

So the paradoxical tragedy is that he spent so much time in power where he was powerless, crucial time where he should have been on the outside storming the walls and educating the masses. Now the time is lost, and, while we all still need to fight and lower our footprints, by any reasonable measure, it is too late to prevent massive pain and loss.

We have failed fantastically to live within the limits of the world, so we are now losing both the world and ourselves.

mos6507 · Fission Joined: Aug 03, 2007 Posts: 2977

dohboi · Light Sweet Crude Joined: Dec 05, 2005 Posts: 1121

Yeah, that seemed really strange. Good explanation for it. Do you think he might be a vp possibility again, in spite of his protests to the contrary?

joelcolorado · Intermediate Crude Joined: May 25, 2008 Posts: 637

Gore is an opportunist who doesnt know his ass from a hole in the ground. Hell, look how much he EATS. Never seen him that large.

It never ceases to amaze me that ppl will follow those guys blindly. Lost sheep gone astray.

MyOldTDiIsStillGoing · Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 8:58 am Post subject: Re: The truth about Al Gore

Ah yes, Al Gore. I lived in Tennessee when we got rid of him as our senator. If the country is stupid enough to make him VP, well let them. Evidence of the direction the country is/ was going.

Living in Nashville, we had the Al Gore warning on the radio alerting us he is coming for the "weekend" to go to his homestead in Carthage (the same homestead that has some issues with the EPA). It would plug up the airport region near BNA while his Air Force II would come in and the slew of security SUV's would burn up to his homestead. I would scramble to cut through the airport region before it shutdown for the environmental parade to take place, usually at 4pm on Saturdays.

As he still around selling "Carbon-Offsets" and getting fat off from it, I hope he will buy from me since I am averaging less than 200kw per month of usages. His mansion in Belle Meade is using alot more than my mansion and I could use the cash. We can trade and it will make him so happy that he then offset his lifestyle of consumption.

FYI, EPA use to do Carbon-Offset for free or just an administration cost, but it changed during the Clinton Administration. I worked in an industry that dealt with it as we established new facilities or attempted to add new processes that would have an environmental impact. We worked with the EPA in getting credits from other business that had less of an impact. Hum, now it is a business. Strange how things change.

joelcolorado · Intermediate Crude Joined: May 25, 2008 Posts: 637

Isnt it funny how a person can buy carbon offsets and somehow that makes it okay to use a HUGE amount of energy? I find that appalling.

Its the same class warfare ideology that if you have enough money its okay to do what you want. You can justify it somehow. How about, using LESS and beinga good world citizen.

MyOldTDiIsStillGoing · Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 9:43 am Post subject: Re: The truth about Al Gore

Ah yes, joelcoloraado, it strange about the Mainline Limo Liberals and their consumption. I believe in the conservative way of life, the word conserve is the focus. Tragedy, we have a 2 party system that isn't.

I was raise in a very poor economically home situation that fortunately I had a mother who went though the depression. I am blessed now with a great engineering salary but remember what is was like. As I prepare for the upcoming life we will be encountering, the mortgage is paid off, I can walk to every where, putting place more efficient uses of resources, all in a 1250 sq foot homestead on a 35x 100 plot of land in the city. And there is 4 of us comfortable living here. Remember, it is just Al and Tipper in their "mansion" of xxxx sq feet (or XXX-rated size).

The going "Green" is a current Madison Avenue marketing scam for which I refuse to buy into. I will just live my conservative life being one who conserves. The class warfare is on.

albente · Light Sweet Crude Joined: Aug 20, 2004 Posts: 1336

Smudger · Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 5:14 pm Post subject: Re: The truth about Al Gore

I think Al Gore via his book/film has made a great contribution to the climate change debate and should be respected for it. we are all hypocrites (let he cast the first stone and all that) but is he being misleading? no. carbon credits are probably a 20 year bridge to a low carbon world, to make the population change to a low oil consuming co2 producing world - which I think is what we want...! then we have to show you can make a living/money from it - exactly as Gore is trying to show. he has not touched on PO then then if I was him would I? probably not I would focus on climate change and look to someone else for PO otherwise I would just dilute the message.

Cid_Yama · Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 5:31 pm Post subject: Re: The truth about Al Gore

Thank you, Smudger. I'm so sick of these neocon denialists attacking him. Does Rush Limbaugh have a Nobel Peace Prize? No.
Glen Beck? No again. G.W. Bush? Don't make me laugh.

The neocons are idiots. Isn't it interesting that neocons tend to test low-average on IQ tests. Most who consider themselves conservatives also tend to have a lower education level than those who refer to themselves as liberal. Perhaps they just don't understand the issues.
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GoghGoner · Heavy Crude Joined: Apr 10, 2008 Posts: 230

I have become so strongly anti-Republican that I am now a Democrat.

I never cared for Al Gore -- too closely tied with the Clintons. I voted Nader in 2000 which was a big mistake since we have this science-denying oil company government. Or maybe the mistake was that Al Gore took 50% of the vote away from Nader.

I now find it slightly humorous when a denialist starts in against climate science since somewhere in the conversation they will mention Al Gore in the most venomous way. Never fails. And then I know they are a right-wing nutcase. Never fails that they will use the word sheeple, too. I am so sick of all the sheep using the word sheep.