Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 3:27 am Post subject: Re: How will colleges fare?
socrates1fan wrote:
graham wrote:
coyote wrote:
graham wrote:
Hi i'm new to this board and was wondering how architecture (particuarly enviromental design) will fare? Ill probably take an M/Sc in eniromental design for my part 2
Hi graham. I've seen a lot of interest here for "new urbanist" walkable communities, as well as energy-efficient homes in general, thermal mass designs, bermed structures and so on. I'm sure you're aware of these better than I am, take a look around the boards, there's been some discussion about them around here. Also, for now at least, the corporate trend is still strongly in a "green" direction. I think modifying existing designs to incorporate greater fuel efficiency, rooftop gardens, solar power and so on will remain in demand for a while.
Architecture as a whole may do poorly, as I think not nearly as many structures will be built, but if you focus on environmental design in particular, including modification of existing structures, I think you'll be fine. I'm not an architect, so take that with a grain of salt. And always be aware that your potential clients may have a lot less money in the future.
I think these discussions are great. TWAWKI may come to an end, but it might take its time. What if we prepare for a hard crash, but get the slow slide instead? Best prepare for both. What professions will be available to the peak oil-aware who are preparing/schooling now?
Welcome graham.
Unfortunatley, in most cases, it is virtually impossible to adapt existing buildings to true zero carbon secifications. For instance how do you super insulate 2 foot thick stone walls? How can you incorporate passive solar design into buildings that face the wrong way? How do you adapt listed buildings? To adapt existing structures usually requires virtual complete demolision and rebuild.
Not really the same thing but..
How do you think modern architecture will fare in economic crisis?
Very badly! There isn't going to be the power available to make concrete, steel and glass in the quantities required, also those giant glass walls loose/gain heat like theres no tommorrow. Modernist architecture is 'oil architecture' in my book, and most of my collegues are completely deluded, thinking being green is simply slapping a few solar panels onto existing building types. Future buildings will be smaller and made from 'primitive' materials-
wood, straw, bamboo, earth, turf, paper/card, they will be very simple (true minimalism), and possibly organic in shape(?). Tradition wont fare much better than modernism though as its just as unsutiable.
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 12:10 pm Post subject: Re: How will colleges fare?
graham wrote:
few solar panels onto existing building types. Future buildings will be smaller and made from 'primitive' materials-
wood, straw, bamboo, earth, turf, paper/card, they will be very simple (true minimalism), and possibly organic in shape(?). Tradition wont fare much better than modernism though as its just as unsutiable.
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 6:04 pm Post subject: Re: How will colleges fare?
Cashmere, I love this quote:
'The cheap energy age has allowed us to send our kids out of the idiot factories and into a 4 year deferral of personal responsibility.'
Anyway I am currently studying 'Electronics Engineering Technician' via the Internet as I still feel small electronics will have a future in the PO World. Anything related to mass production/scale will vanish along with education that has no 'survival' benefit.
My opinion is that any PO-useful (agriculture, crafts, efficiency, etc) skill taught at a learning institution will do well, but a large number of colleges will fold. Considering many are more about athletics than education, they won't be missed.
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 6:04 am Post subject: Re: How will colleges fare?
Cashmere wrote:
... There has got to be some 25 year old who's been matriculating for 7-10 years, getting pussy on Government backed loans, as it were. Hell, why grow up?...
hmmm, I started working when I just became 30(!), until that I had travelled through the world, studied for 6 1/2 years and really had a very nice life.
I never got a cent from my government and I didn't have any debt when starting to work.
In my opinion the social studies are VERY important to a society.
I'm now an engineer (energy sector) btw and I plan to live another healthy 60 years and don't want to die with a heart attack at age 50 as it happens to so many people that are "optimizing" and speeding up their career and devote their life to their work.
I have to work for around 40h a week with ~5-6 weeks free, that's more than enough in my opinion.
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 8:30 am Post subject: Re: How will colleges fare?
The question was asked: will colleges fare? The short answer if, of course, as long as folks perceive a desire and need for higher education. Plus, college and the military both keep young people off the streets in times of crisis, and the buildings already exist and are suitable for little else (not enough bathrooms for habitation, no facilities for industry, poorly organized for business, etc).
In the longer run, whether 'higher education' comes to mean sociology or advanced bee-keeping is any body's guess. Also as graham suggested lots of college buildings are dumb dumb dumb. But then the cities around them are also dumb dumb dumb. Which ones succumbs first is a good question. _________________ This is not me
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