Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
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Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 6:28 pm Post subject: Re: Elites fail as Europe wakes up to the fascist threat
threadbear wrote:
btu2012 wrote:
energycity wrote:
If the EU cannot get its act together, Russia will chop us up and have us for breakfast.
Precisely the point neglected by all those anti-European softheads.
A disunited Europe is easy prey.
Are you concerned about Russia's power, brute force wise, or their potential economic reach, dominance? Maybe both?
I'm probably reiterating, but the EU has to avoid being pressured, albeit indirectly and through subterfuge, into allowing itself to be used as a grappling hook to prevent the Anglo American axis powers from going over a cliff. If it doesn't it risks being dragged along with it. Alternatively, if the EU is successful, at anchoring the old British elites, it will be used to help haul them back to a position where they will undercut Europe, in the interest of domination. There is no real interest in egalitarian distribution of power, not among classes or individuals.
Germany is a non problem. I don't think non Europeans know how internalized the loss of the second world war became, on an individual basis and on a national level.
I don't think you perhaps understand the nature of the national socialist mindset and its notion of destiny. What Germany could not achieve by way of war, it will achieve by the back door. The notion of regional unity of the kind being peddled by the German architects and their French poodles has an underlying dynamic and threatens to impose a foreign policy template with German fingerprints on it over all the member nations. The Irish rejected Lisbon for good reason. _________________ Bugger me, I hear oil's runnin out mate!
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Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 6:28 pm Post subject: Re: Elites fail as Europe wakes up to the fascist threat
americandream wrote:
The German Greens and their support for the Iraq war is what passes for left politics in Germany these days!
The Iraq war was, is and will remain extraordinarily unpopular in Germany, who was one of the strongest critics of the US war there. Get your story straight.
That war is supported in multiple ways by the UK, including with troops and logistical assistance.
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Let me remind you, it is the EU that is pursuing fortress policies, it is the EU that has been dragging it's heels over the admission of Turkey for decades (due to strong German resistance). The EU is supremely racist! Would the EU tolerate the notion of an African European as its leader let alone entertain his campaign drive?
Do you understand that there is a difference between the EU institutions and national governments ? What the UK does isn't the EU's responsibility. The EU wants to admit Turkey, but that country is seriously unstable (take a look at the role played by the military there) and the EU population is largely opposed to such massive enlargement at this point. EU enlargement requires referendums. The EU has and has had many more female politicians than any other region on Earth. African minorities in the EU are small (about 12 million in a union of 395 million citizens), but if a good African-European candidate emerges then I doubt that his skin color would be a serious problem.
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The EU is a fascist entity supported by skulking closet fascists like yourself and is, as far as I am concerned, a greater threat to world peace than the US will ever be. I would rather have the United States at the helm of a dysfunctional world any day....any day, than a United Europe led by Germany.
What clueless nonsense. By the way, Europeans don't care very much about your opinion. _________________ only the paranoid survive
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Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 6:37 pm Post subject: Re: Elites fail as Europe wakes up to the fascist threat
threadbear wrote:
Are you concerned about Russia's power, brute force wise, or their potential economic reach, dominance? Maybe both?
Both. If the EU survives then indirect influence will be their weapon of choice, but it the EU disintegrates then all bets are off.
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I'm probably reiterating, but the EU has to avoid being pressured, albeit indirectly and through subterfuge, into allowing itself to be used as a grappling hook to prevent the Anglo American axis powers from going over a cliff. If it doesn't it risks being dragged along with it. Alternatively, if the EU is successful, at anchoring the old British elites, it will be used to help haul them back to a position where they will undercut Europe, in the interest of domination. There is no real interest in egalitarian distribution of power, not among classes or individuals.
The Commission understands that. At this point they don't have enough power to do much and they are walking on a rope (a very delicate act) between Russia, the US, China and the Middle East in order to buy time to pass the Lisbon treaty. There will be serious geopolitical implications for Europe if that fails because it binds the EU to the current morass which paralyzes serious action. Most Europeans don't understand the full implications since they got used to their security being guaranteed by NATO -- however that "guarantee" comes at the price which you are mentioning above (the danger of being coerced into doing something for the US which is not in the EU's best interests).
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Germany is a non problem. I don't think non Europeans know how internalized the loss of the second world war became, on an individual basis and on a national level.
I definitely agree. Nationalism in Germany defines one as a crossbreed between and idiot and a criminal. _________________ only the paranoid survive
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Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 6:38 pm Post subject: Re: Elites fail as Europe wakes up to the fascist threat
threadbear wrote:
I'm probably reiterating, but the EU has to avoid being pressured, albeit indirectly and through subterfuge, into allowing itself to be used as a grappling hook to prevent the Anglo American axis powers from going over a cliff. If it doesn't it risks being dragged along with it. Alternatively, if the EU is successful, at anchoring the old British elites, it will be used to help haul them back to a position where they will undercut Europe, in the interest of domination.
This is a bit mysterious.
Who are you expecting to try and pressurise "...albeit indirectly and through subterfuge" the EU? The "Anglo American axis" you mention? Just so we're clear are they in favour of the Lisbon treaty or not?
How exactly does the EU anchor "the old British elites"? By getting the UK to ratify the Treaty perhaps? (we ratified it officially yesterday).
In what way will the dastardly British "undercut Europe, in the interest of domination"?
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Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 6:42 pm Post subject: Re: Elites fail as Europe wakes up to the fascist threat
The truth is the truth wherever you might find it. Concentration of power, like concentration of wealth is a bad thing. The Lisbon Treaty is another step towards Globalization. One world, with the power and wealth concentrated within ever fewer hands.
The fact that some elite may fear loss of power to other elites, does not change the fact of the above. _________________ In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell
It riles them to believe that you perceive the webs they weave. - Moody Blues
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Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 6:43 pm Post subject: Re: Elites fail as Europe wakes up to the fascist threat
BTU, I would not trust the Germans one inch. They are the stereotypical opportunist. Waiting for the opportunity to benefit from American effort in the Middle East. And in the tradition of all fascists, they seek to make all of Europe in their image by appealing to cultural chauvinism.
I have to say, I am mighty glad for the presence of a powerful US, now that the EU, by covert manipulation behind the scenes, has succeded in reducing the once noble USSR and Yugoslavia to shadows of their former selves.
The choice between the nationalist scoundrels running the UK and the uber-menchen quietly working their agenda in Germany is a simple one. Do we want corporate cabals of rogues contained within national boundaries or are we willing to let them ascend to power at the level of entire continents. I know which I prefer. _________________ Bugger me, I hear oil's runnin out mate!
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Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 6:43 pm Post subject: Re: Elites fail as Europe wakes up to the fascist threat
Cid_Yama wrote:
The truth is the truth wherever you might find it. Concentration of power, like concentration of wealth is a bad thing. The Lisbon Treaty is another step towards Globalization. One world, with the power and wealth concentrated within ever fewer hands.
The fact that some elite may fear loss of power to other elites, does not change the fact of the above.
Cid, would you support the dissolution of the United states into its constituent states ? Answer it. _________________ only the paranoid survive
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Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 6:45 pm Post subject: Re: Elites fail as Europe wakes up to the fascist threat
americandream wrote:
BTU, I would not trust the Germans one inch. They are the stereotypical opportunist. Waiting for the opportunity to benefit from American effort in the Middle East. And in the tradition of all fascists, they seek to make all of Europe in their image by appealing to cultural chauvinism.
I have to say, I am mighty glad for the presence of a powerful US, now that the EU, by covert manipulation behind the scenes, has succeded in reducing the once noble USSR and Yugoslavia to shadows of their former selves.
The choice between the nationalist scoundrels running the UK and the uber-menchen quietly working their agenda in Germany is a simple one. Do we want corporate cabals of rogues contained within national boundaries or are we willing to let them ascend to power at the level of entire continents. I know which I prefer.
Thank you very much Miss Dream. You sound just like Hitler.
I have to go now, thx all. _________________ only the paranoid survive
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Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 6:46 pm Post subject: Re: Elites fail as Europe wakes up to the fascist threat
Energy City:
During the Blair years, it became obvious that there was a serious pro-American agenda, with regards to both political strategy, but also culturally. Blair seemed to be almost operating as a covert American agent to undermine the union and forge strong alliances with the U.S.
Do you have any idea how much more American the British appear to Canadians since the Blair years? Quite horrifying, actually.
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Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 6:49 pm Post subject: Re: Elites fail as Europe wakes up to the fascist threat
threadbear wrote:
During the Blair years, it became obvious that there was a serious pro-American agenda, with regards to both political strategy, but also culturally. Blair seemed to be almost operating as a covert American agent to undermine the union and forge strong alliances with the U.S.
Do you have any idea how much more American the British appear to Canadians since the Blair years? Quite horrifying, actually.
Rather an Americanised UK than one under the spell of Germany. _________________ Bugger me, I hear oil's runnin out mate!
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Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 6:53 pm Post subject: Re: Elites fail as Europe wakes up to the fascist threat
btu2012 wrote:
Cid_Yama wrote:
The truth is the truth wherever you might find it. Concentration of power, like concentration of wealth is a bad thing. The Lisbon Treaty is another step towards Globalization. One world, with the power and wealth concentrated within ever fewer hands.
The fact that some elite may fear loss of power to other elites, does not change the fact of the above.
Cid, would you support the dissolution of the United states into its constituent states ? Answer it.
This BTU character has already got it into her head that the EU is a done deal. The Union was never meant to be a political union. Like I said, the process has been hijacked by darker German forces. _________________ Bugger me, I hear oil's runnin out mate!
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Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 7:15 pm Post subject: Re: Elites fail as Europe wakes up to the fascist threat
energycity wrote:
Let's finish ratifying this treaty ASAP and move on. There are some huge problems ahead that the EU needs to tackle urgently.
The Irish have said No and it needs the ratification of ALL 27 states. So, in the spirit of democracy, move along mate. _________________ Bugger me, I hear oil's runnin out mate!
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Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 9:09 pm Post subject: Re: Elites fail as Europe wakes up to the fascist threat
americandream wrote:
Like I said, the process has been hijacked by darker German forces.
Miss Dream,
What the heck do you know about the EU ? Have you even been to Europe ?
The union was political from the beginning, that's why it includes provisions such as the free movement of people, which isn't simply a free trade idea. Since when did you become a neoliberal free trader ? Are you for real ? _________________ only the paranoid survive
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