Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
Joined: Sep 14, 2004 Posts: 6625 Location: Rural Virginia
Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 8:02 pm Post subject: Re: [Food] Production Gardening, General
DoubleD wrote:
Looking good Olaf!
Heineken - I would plant carrots and parsnips in your plot. If you got them in the ground now they will have time to germinate and grow to full maturity before the cold weather and rains/snow stop the growing process. Then you can overwinter them in the ground if you use some protection (heavy mulch) or a grow tunnel cover.
Thanks for the ideas, DD and Ludi. Anybody else?
Salad greens I've had bad experiences with. I've given up on them.
I grew some parsnips once, but they didn't turn out very well. Probably the soil wasn't deep or rich enough. You need a microscope to see those seeds!
I have another, much larger plot I can grow turnips in. Turnips do fairly well here when "timed" right.
Carrots bore me. But they do keep well.
It's hard for me to get excited about growing vegetables, even though I like (and make) a good salad.
Fruits and nuts are what turn me on. Even tomatoes (a fruit, right?). _________________ "Actually, humans died out long ago."
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Joined: Sep 14, 2004 Posts: 6625 Location: Rural Virginia
Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 8:06 pm Post subject: Re: [Food] Production Gardening, General
Olaf wrote:
Thought I'd toss in some general pics of my garden as it looks right now.
Overall View
Beans and Peas
Lettuce and Broccoli and Cauliflower in background
Tomatoes
Corn
Fruit and nut trees for the land (hoping they are recovering, didn't look so good when we received them).
Way more than pictured, but shows some of it.
Olaf
Now that's what I call a garden.
Lot of work. Good job, Olaf.
Put stakes through your tomato cages so they don't fall over later on. _________________ "Actually, humans died out long ago."
---Abused, abandoned hunting dog
"Things have entered a stage where the only change that is possible is for things to get worse."
---Me and my brother
Joined: May 07, 2008 Posts: 455 Location: Chaska, MN
Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 8:30 pm Post subject: Re: [Food] Production Gardening, General
DoubleD--
Wow! Excellent garden! I didn't have time to expand mine to that size this year, I'm planning on having something very similar to yours next year.....that is...if we all make it to next year......
Joined: Oct 24, 2006 Posts: 121 Location: Pacific Northwest
Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 9:48 pm Post subject: Re: [Food] Production Gardening, General
Thanks biofuel13 - it IS getting scarey out there lately. The garden is more than a food source - it is also a refuge from a world that appears to be going mad. _________________ Check out Our Modern "Victory Garden" - http://www.freewebs.com/kitsapfreedomgardener/
Joined: May 10, 2007 Posts: 3351 Location: Resiliency Farm
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 10:34 am Post subject: Re: [Food] Production Gardening, General
Looking for help identifying an insect. they show up a few weeks before the colorado potato beetles... there is no damage initially... I've never given them a chance, most years I collect them and feed them to the chickens.
the look like a rose chafer but don't bother the roses or the peonies... I only see them on the potatoes and occassionaly on a weed or another.
Do you know this bug?
thank you in advance,
Cur _________________ It does not do to leave a live dragon out of your calculations, if you live near him.
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Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 4:21 pm Post subject: Re: [Food] Production Gardening, General
How do you all keep from gophers, rabbits, etc...from eating up your garden?
I am soooo peeved at the gophers who live in the forested area behind my neighbor's house....grrr!
Everything was coming up beautifully, then one morning all my peas were torn up and eaten, along with my parsley and swiss chard. He seems to like my spinach, too, and this afternoon, he was nibbling on my eggplant leaves!!!!
Any suggestions welcome!. I can't shoot them, as there are gun laws in my neighborhood.
Joined: Dec 27, 2004 Posts: 13181 Location: naive idiot fantasy world
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 4:28 pm Post subject: Re: [Food] Production Gardening, General
You can often keep digging animals out of the garden by putting chicken wire in an L shape along the outside bottom of the fence, with the bottom part of the L laying flat on the ground, or buried a little, weighted down with heavy rock, logs, or staked down by heavy inverted U shaped pieces of wire. _________________ "...powerdown so soft and fluffy you'll think you're living in a pillow." - jboogy
Joined: Oct 24, 2006 Posts: 121 Location: Pacific Northwest
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 8:19 pm Post subject: Re: [Food] Production Gardening, General
wisconsin_cur - I honestly don't know what that bug is - only guess I have is that it is an immature potato beetle - or a mutant one. Do you live near a nuclear reactor?
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Joined: Sep 16, 2004 Posts: 4925 Location: Southwest WI
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 10:08 pm Post subject: Re: [Food] Production Gardening, General
Wisconsin-
Those are Rose Chafers...100% positive. They have been bad this year. Everywhere i've been around here, i've noticed leaf damage. Mine have pretty let up around here. I don't think i killed a single bug today. They should be gone in another week or two. This year they were late. _________________ Clothing should be optional.
Joined: May 10, 2007 Posts: 3351 Location: Resiliency Farm
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 10:47 pm Post subject: Re: [Food] Production Gardening, General
frankthetank wrote:
Wisconsin-
Those are Rose Chafers...100% positive. They have been bad this year. Everywhere i've been around here, i've noticed leaf damage. Mine have pretty let up around here. I don't think i killed a single bug today. They should be gone in another week or two. This year they were late.
Thanks, I was just confused because they do not seem to act like the rose chafers in the book...
... I guess they didn't read the book
The potatoes look great at this point... I'm really happy with them so far. _________________ It does not do to leave a live dragon out of your calculations, if you live near him.
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Joined: May 28, 2008 Posts: 109 Location: Old Dominion
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 11:00 am Post subject: Re: [Food] Production Gardening, General
There's reams of great information here. I doubt I will have time to dig through it all, but I will go through a lot.
I, too, live in Virginia. We have five acreas with about half open and the remainder in mostly hardwoods.
I started a garden late this spring. Its about 1500 sq. ft., and we have planted sweet corn, pole beans, peas, string beans, butter beans, sweet red and green peppers, hot peppers, squash, and five types of tomatoes, three of which are non-hybreds.
I planted the pole beans and additional yellow-neck squash inbetween the corn rows following advice for "The Three Sisters" and maximizing garden space. I saved a small plot for my mixed greens and turnips later on.
I was too late for potatoes, but, as a lark, I planted sprouting Russet potatoes in a mulched leaf pile from last fall. It will be interesting on what grows, if anything.
My wife planted three large pots on the deck with herbs. Mostly its bassel, thyme, oregano, chives, and parsley. In two pots the herbs share space with a cherry tomato plant. All are doing great.
The best tool to help me in the garden I found is a small mini-tiller made by Honda. With only a 9" swath, it allows me to cultivate in and around all the plants. Its quite, too! Althouth gasoline powered, it only takes a little and I will continue to use it until I no longer can. _________________ "If everything is going well, you obviously overlooked something."
Joined: May 28, 2008 Posts: 38 Location: east of west north of south
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 8:25 pm Post subject: Re: [Food] Production Gardening, General
Guerilla Gardening,who's doing what?
I recently was asked to clean up some property for an older lady.
In one corner of the property I discovered around 50 small cherry trees scattered around 4-5 mature trees. The lady said mow them down,I don't think so! So I transplanted 20 trees on my place,gave away a few and now i'm looking to plant the rest in an area that is off my property{on a relatives but in an area they haven't visited in years} but would still be accessible for the future.
Anybody else doing anything similar?
Joined: May 28, 2008 Posts: 38 Location: east of west north of south
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 8:34 pm Post subject: Re: [Food] Production Gardening, General
Help! I need plant ideas for a wet area on my property.
I've already got a good supply of cattails growing in another area.
the ground is saturated but without standing water.I'm trying to plant as many things in these areas that will reproduce themselves as possible.I've planted berries around the fringe of this area now I need to fill it in.Lets here your ideas,
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