Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 6:46 pm Post subject: Milwaukee food riot
2500 line up for food vouchers in Milwaukee and it gets unruly
Milwaukeewatch=1&date=6/23/2008&id=42044
(Sorry if double post)
"We're still trying to figure out why so many people showed up."
That about sums it up for how clueless government is on how this situation will play out. _________________ Cougar
"Use it up, wear it out, make it do, or do without." - Brigham Young
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 8:18 pm Post subject: Re: Milwaukee food riot
Wow! Anyone know any more background? Like why there were 2,500 people lined up for food stamps? Is that an everyday thing in Milwaukee? _________________ "We were standing on the edges
Of a thousand burning bridges
Sifting through the ashes every day
What we thought would never end
Now is nothing more than a memory
The way things were before
I lost my way" - OCMS
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Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 8:22 pm Post subject: Re: Milwaukee food riot
smallpoxgirl wrote:
Wow! Anyone know any more background? Like why there were 2,500 people lined up for food stamps? Is that an everyday thing in Milwaukee?
I think everyone was a little surprised at the size of the crowd..
This article was also posted in the food shortages thread. _________________ Courtesy and Courage, Sincerity and Self-control, Honor and Loyalty...a Code to Live By!
Where is my wooden pitchfork and torch anyway? I may need them for a visit to the castle soon!
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Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 8:25 pm Post subject: Re: Milwaukee food riot
btw for truths sake I have to add.....
This was a line too many people to remain on the sidewalk that ended up causing the police to close one block of the street for the safety of those in line..
A food riot is something different... when starving people start breaking into food stores to steal what they cannot afford... THAT is a food riot. People in great numbers lining up for charity is not a riot... a shame yes, but not a riot! _________________ Courtesy and Courage, Sincerity and Self-control, Honor and Loyalty...a Code to Live By!
Where is my wooden pitchfork and torch anyway? I may need them for a visit to the castle soon!
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Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 8:45 pm Post subject: Re: Milwaukee food riot
This article explains it better and does indicate it was rough.....
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MILWAUKEE - Pushing and shoving broke out among some of the 2,500 people who lined up outside a county office early Monday in hopes of collecting free food vouchers being provided to victims of recent flooding.
Some residents told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel they heard from friends or at food pantries that they could get free vouchers to replace food lost in recent floods and power outages. But the Marcia P. Coggs Human Services Center was just taking names for a state voucher program to help flood victims.
Scuffles began breaking out around 7 a.m. with people shoving, pushing, and taking a door off its hinges, police said. Police arrived in dozens of squad cars and restored order.
There were no serious injuries or arrests, police spokeswoman Anne E. Schwartz said. Nor did police ask people to leave.
"We're still trying to figure out why so many people showed up," Schwartz said.
Charline Britt was crushed against a door and passed out. She felt feet stomp on her back as people rushed into the center when the doors opened at 8 a.m., she said.
"They just went crazy down there, just totally crazy," said Britt, 52.
Paramedics gave her oxygen, but Britt declined a trip to the hospital. Instead, she waited to apply for assistance and said she would visit her doctor later Monday. Britt was seeking help after her basement flooded.
Eileen Force, a spokeswoman for Mayor Tom Barrett, said some of the people in line had heard rumors that officials were giving out vouchers, not just taking names.
County officials issued a statement later Monday saying Milwaukee County residents who apply for the vouchers by Friday would receive them. The county is administering the program for the state.
Some people at the center said they were told it would be a month or two before they received money or food assistance. Yvonne Love expressed frustration before running to catch a bus to a temporary employment agency.
"Now I have to try and get (to) a food pantry," said Love, who has children 8, 10 and 14. "I've got to feed my kids."
Milwaukee Common Council President Willie Hines asked for contributions to America's Second Harvest of Wisconsin, a food bank that serves the city.
"The food crisis in Milwaukee - and throughout the United States - is worse than many of us have realized," Hines said in a statement. "We expect long lines for free food in Third World countries; we don't expect a line of 2,500 people waiting for food vouchers at the Marcia P. Coggs Center."
U.S. Rep. Gwen Moore, a Democrat who represents the area, said the incident shows families need help at a time of high prices for gasoline, housing and food. She said Congress should pass a second economic stimulus package to help people.
_________________ Courtesy and Courage, Sincerity and Self-control, Honor and Loyalty...a Code to Live By!
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Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 8:49 pm Post subject: Re: Milwaukee food riot
the48thronin wrote:
Pushing and shoving broke out among some of the 2,500 people who lined up outside a county office early Monday in hopes of collecting free food vouchers being provided to victims of recent flooding.
Ohh! Flood victims. Now I understand! I was wondering why everybody was so hungry all of a sudden in Milwaukee. _________________ "We were standing on the edges
Of a thousand burning bridges
Sifting through the ashes every day
What we thought would never end
Now is nothing more than a memory
The way things were before
I lost my way" - OCMS
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 9:17 pm Post subject: Re: Milwaukee food riot
There is only a thin veneer of civilization that separates the current calm of polite society from a world of madness and zombies. With the advent of $4 gas that veneer is beginning to crack and splinter away. If someone was giving away free food in my home town there would be hundreds if not thousands ready to line up. There was a similar episode in Finland of all places. The idea of mass starvation in First World country is not just the stuff of some doomer fantasy. It is a reality starting NOW.
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 9:31 pm Post subject: Re: Milwaukee food riot
"If someone was giving away free food in my home town there would be hundreds if not thousands ready to line up."
I think this has less to do with imminent mass starvation than with the modern "gimme something" mentality. There was once a time in this country when people preferred to starve rather than take charity.
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 11:57 pm Post subject: Re: Milwaukee food riot
Novus wrote:
The idea of mass starvation in First World country is not just the stuff of some doomer fantasy. It is a reality starting NOW.
Something like half the world's population lives on less than $1 a day. What the average resident of Milwaukee spends on Latte's would feed a family of ten in Ethiopia. There is NO ONE starving to death in the US because of poverty. The guy standing by the off-ramp holding a cardboard sign is WAY more likely to get sick eating too much and getting diabetes than from not eating enough. _________________ "We were standing on the edges
Of a thousand burning bridges
Sifting through the ashes every day
What we thought would never end
Now is nothing more than a memory
The way things were before
I lost my way" - OCMS
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 12:27 am Post subject: Re: Milwaukee food riot
For the last 100 years I would say you were right Smallpox but that is changing now or will be soon be if it has not started yet in your neck of the woods. I see it already where I live.
Also a good lot of those 3rd worlders know how to grow their own food or can find ways to gather something up. They are ready for peak oil. It is we in the West who are not read for it.
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 12:49 am Post subject: Re: Milwaukee food riot
We in the west eat a diet that is outrageously expensive, comlex, and opulent. The truth is most Americans could spend 5% of what they currently do on food and would be just fine. Even the "poor" in America eat lots pre-packaged prepared food, meats, out of season fruits and vegetables. Really for hunger to become a significant problem in the US would require something like an extended trucking strike that goes on for a month or something like that. Most Americans think they're poor if they can't afford a big screen TV and Nikes. They have no idea how much further down they can fall.
The Pine Ridge reservation is said to be the poorest county in the US. Even there, obesity and diabetes are the killers, not hunger. I've been there many times, and you do not see kids looking like this:
That kids doesn't live in Milwaukee either. _________________ "We were standing on the edges
Of a thousand burning bridges
Sifting through the ashes every day
What we thought would never end
Now is nothing more than a memory
The way things were before
I lost my way" - OCMS
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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 1:03 am Post subject: Re: Milwaukee food riot
smallpoxgirl wrote:
We in the west eat a diet that is outrageously expensive, comlex, and opulent. The truth is most Americans could spend 5% of what they currently do on food and would be just fine. Even the "poor" in America eat lots pre-packaged prepared food, meats, out of season fruits and vegetables.
Part of the issue, as it develops, will be if Americans can learn and adapt to that food that is not prepackaged and pre-prepared. It is not that there will not be food but we may have problems getting things that we recognize as food. I don't want to beat a dead horse but if people think there is no food to be had it is as bad as if there were no food to be had. In all but the worse of fast crash scenerios I think there will be food.
When I think of some of the people that I know, however, I don't know if they won't just fade into either hunger or social violence, refusing to accept food that is so different. It is not the absence of food that makes me (the most) nervous, it is social rection to the kind of food that is available. _________________ “It does not do to leave a live dragon out of your calculations, if you live near him.”
J.R.R. Tolkien
"The time has come for men to act like men; and for women, well, to act a lot more like men."
-Ma Cur
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 1:48 am Post subject: Re: Milwaukee food riot
smallpoxgirl wrote:
That kids doesn't live in Milwaukee either.
And you never will because the kid in that extreme picture would freeze to death in 80 degree weather. All takes is is 7 to 10 days with zero food to kill someone who is not accustomed to famines and fasting. It has been said no society is more than 5 meals away from revolution. The woods near me are filling up with homeless. The owner of a local Chick'a'Flit used to feed them with his leftovers until they murdered him. You have no idea how bad some places have gotten already. For the first time in my life I actually hope FEMA comes and takes them away to concentration camp.
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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 2:00 am Post subject: Re: Milwaukee food riot
Novus wrote:
smallpoxgirl wrote:
That kids doesn't live in Milwaukee either.
And you never will because the kid in that extreme picture would freeze to death in 80 degree weather. All takes is is 7 to 10 days with zero food to kill someone who is not accustomed to famines and fasting. It has been said no society is more than 5 meals away from revolution. The woods near me are filling up with homeless. The owner of a local Chick'a'Flit used to feed them with his leftovers until they murdered him. You have no idea how bad some places have gotten already. For the first time in my life I actually hope FEMA comes and takes them away to concentration camp.
A little bit of hyperbole I think. People can last a lot longer than 7-10 days without food. the only reason they would die in that time is some underlying condition or they think they are " as good as dead" and do something stupid lik storm the Bastille.
There are a lot of factors that effect how someone deals with not eating.
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The question of how long you can go without food depends on a lot of factors. Will and determination definitely play a part. Political prisoners on hunger strikes and fasting religious leaders have been known to go for weeks at a time without any food. Gandhi fasted for 21 days while in his 70s. People lost in the wild have also survived for long periods of time without eating.
Medically speaking, most doctors agree that healthy humans can go up to eight weeks without food as long as they have water. People have gone longer and been fine, and people have starved to death in less time. Being strong and in good physical shape can help you survive longer, but so does having extra body fat. The body stores energy needed to live in the form of fat, carbohydrates and proteins. The carbs are the first thing to be used up without more food coming in. The fat goes next, which explains why people with more of it can survive longer. Then the proteins go. If you get to the point that your body is using up proteins, basically the body itself, then you're in bad shape.
Your metabolism also plays a role. Metabolism is what converts food into energy. If you have a slow metabolism, you'll burn your food intake slower and be able to go longer without replacing the food energy. If you go without food, your metabolism will adjust accordingly and slow down on its own -- basically doing what it can to pitch in for survival's sake.
Climate is a major factor too. The bad news is that both cold and hot weather are no good if you have no food. The good news is that extreme heat and cold will kill you in other ways before you have a chance at starvation. But in terms of living without food, heat means faster dehydration -- cold means more energy is burned to keep the body's temperature at a cozy 98.6 degrees Fahrenheit (37 degrees Celsius). If you're lucky enough to be in mild temperatures, you'll be able to live a little longer without food.
Some symptoms you may see if you go more than a couple of days without food are:
Weakness
Confusion
Chronic diarrhea
Irritability
Bad decision making
Decreased sex drive
Immune deficiency
Advanced starvation will cause your organs to shut down one by one. People in the throes of severe starvation might experience the following:
Hallucinations
Convulsions
Muscle spasms
Irregular heartbeat
Of course hunger will make one more suscpible to other things that might kill them, including cold but we are a species that is accustomed to hunger, it is baked into our genetics. Our bodies have a harder time adjusting to too much food, hence all of the physical problems and diseases that accompany being over weight _________________ “It does not do to leave a live dragon out of your calculations, if you live near him.”
J.R.R. Tolkien
"The time has come for men to act like men; and for women, well, to act a lot more like men."
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