Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 3:28 am Post subject: Re: Milwaukee food riot
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Some symptoms you may see if you go more than a couple of days without food are:
Weakness
Confusion
Chronic diarrhea
Irritability
Bad decision making
Decreased sex drive
Immune deficiency
A large group of people suffering from these symptoms may make a local mess but probably won't wander dozens of miles to attack a well-defended homestead. A determinate and eloquent leader could easily take charge over such weak and desperate people, though.
But I still agree with those who don't expect a real famine in 1st world nations in the foreseeable future. Food will be the top priority during the crisis and the US can still easily produce enough fertilizer & pesticides with its own fossil fuels to maintain current production - which is many times more calories than necessary for survival. (Long-term climate change may threaten that, though.) Like wisconsin_cur wrote, social reaction to rapid impoverishment and powerdown is the unknown risk factor in the near future. _________________ "A devastating error is to set up a political system based on [individual] desire... the best dictatorship would be one where the government prevents any economical growth."
"Only scarcity and effort make life worth living."
-Pentti Linkola
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 3:59 am Post subject: Re: Milwaukee food riot
I think your forgetting something.
Just because a society can it's people does not mean a society WILL feed it's people.
During the Irish Potato famine, there was more than enough food in Ireland to feed everyone. But the wealthy English absentee landowners wanted to ship the food elsewhere to make more profits.
If things get out of hand, a president may declare martial law.
With martial law, that president may suspend elections.
With elections suspended, all it would take is a bunch of willing thugs with some weapons(nerve agents anyone?) to keep the downtrodden masses in place.
Basically what I'm trying to say is this: Due to greed, the rich, or the would be rich, might end up causing many Americans to die of starvation. We already don't address hunger in this country. We already don't provide food to everyone who needs it. We have more than ample surplus production. If our society won't feed those at the bottom when there is abudance, why would our society feed those at the bottom when there is scarcity?
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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 5:16 am Post subject: Re: Milwaukee food riot
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If someone was giving away free food in my home town there would be hundreds if not thousands ready to line up.
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I think this has less to do with imminent mass starvation than with the modern "gimme something" mentality. There was once a time in this country when people preferred to starve rather than take charity.
Do you think this people in Milwaukee are standing there for hours just because they are too lazy to work for food or it's real fun with children waiting (alone?) at home ?
Hours of waiting just to get something to eat (for a few dollars)?
At most they get perhaps a package for a week, i guess.
I bet with you, if them would be offered at once a job with a sufficient payment, at maximum 10% of the people would stay there.
And you have to count in the people which are not in the line because they have relatives or friend which help them.
In the book "Stupid white men" from Michael Moore i read, that even in 2000/1 (energy was still quite cheap!)there were already families, i think even with one parent who had a low paid job, in which the kids had to get food supply every friday in school. Every friday these kids got home with a big backpack.
Isn't it a great feeling for a kid to show all the world: Your family is a family of loosers?
Try to get food in one of those social service kitchens for week. And after that, i guess, your opinion has changed.
Billions of dollars for sophisticated weapons but more and more people in all western countries have to beg for (cheap) food.
@Kylon
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During the Irish Potato famine, there was more than enough food in Ireland to feed everyone. But the wealthy English absentee landowners wanted to ship the food elsewhere to make more profits.
I read this somewhere two years ago. And this seemes to be the cause why IRA was started.
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 6:41 am Post subject: Re: Milwaukee food riot
I live in Milwaukee and they opened this office right in the heart of the ghetto. There was a false rumor that FREE food stamps were being given out right on the spot. Lazy people who refuse to work like FREE stuff so a ton of them came and of course cannot behave to save their lives.
All the people had to prove was that they lived in milwaukee and nothing else. It was basically your typical lazy inner city trash trying to get more free handouts from people who actually work.
The comments from these people on the news were pathetic! They actually were complaining how hard it was to get FREE food.
There is no food shortage in the Midwest just a bunch of low life lazy people who have nothing better to do then to cause trouble while waiting for their government handout!
If you go to the FEMA offices in the better parts of the state this does not go on and everything runs very smooth.
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 6:57 am Post subject: Re: Milwaukee food riot
wisconsin_cur wrote:
Part of the issue, as it develops, will be if Americans can learn and adapt to that food that is not prepackaged and pre-prepared. It is not that there will not be food but we may have problems getting things that we recognize as food. I don't want to beat a dead horse but if people think there is no food to be had it is as bad as if there were no food to be had. In all but the worse of fast crash scenerios I think there will be food.
Call me an optimist, but I really don't think anyone is going to starve to death because it's too hard learning to cook. I'm sure it will be painful for some people, but starvation is a strong motivator. And no, sorry, unless you are critically ill from some other source, 7 days without food is going to do you no harm at all. If you go on a total fast, it takes an average of 60 days to starve. I really don't see people staring at a bag of grain for 60 days wondering what to do with it while they starve to death. I think they'll figure it out. Really more the issue is the cognitive dissonance from being an American and being forced to eat things like grains and vegetables instead of steak and Happy Meals. _________________ "So while you sit and whistle Dixie with your money and your power.
I can hear the flowers a-growin in the rubble of the towers.
I hear leaders quit their lying
I hear babies quit their crying.
I hear soldiers quit their dying, one and all." - OCMS
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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 7:07 am Post subject: Re: Milwaukee food riot
gunny7258 wrote:
I live in Milwaukee and they opened this office right in the heart of the ghetto. There was a false rumor that FREE food stamps were being given out right on the spot. Lazy people who refuse to work like FREE stuff so a ton of them came and of course cannot behave to save their lives.
All the people had to prove was that they lived in milwaukee and nothing else. It was basically your typical lazy inner city trash trying to get more free handouts from people who actually work.
The comments from these people on the news were pathetic! They actually were complaining how hard it was to get FREE food.
There is no food shortage in the Midwest just a bunch of low life lazy people who have nothing better to do then to cause trouble while waiting for their government handout!
If you go to the FEMA offices in the better parts of the state this does not go on and everything runs very smooth.
Joined: Sep 16, 2004 Posts: 4455 Location: Southwest WI
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 7:20 am Post subject: Re: Milwaukee food riot
gunny-
Maybe you and your buddies can push them over the border into Illinois, build a large wall and let Obama deal with them?
What sucks is that a lot of the "trash" from that area is making its way into the smaller towns like mine and causing a lot of trouble (mostly armed robbery, minor theft, drug dealing).
"Ghetto thugs, coming to a small town near you"... _________________ "Oil is going up because we use too much oil, and the capacity to replace reserves is dwindling"
-President Bush 11/07/07
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 8:10 am Post subject: Re: Milwaukee food riot
I actually live in Wauwatosa, which is a nice suburb of MKE. Its flowing into their as well. Especially with the mall and the recent robberies in the village. But the Tosa cops are freakin awesome in cracking down on it.
I grew up in Waukesha and my parents still live there so i see first hand whats going on out there. The obamanation will just make this whole mess alot worse because god forbid someone actually has to go out and provide for themselves.
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 10:01 am Post subject: Re: Milwaukee food riot
gunny7258 wrote:
I live in Milwaukee and they opened this office right in the heart of the ghetto. There was a false rumor that FREE food stamps were being given out right on the spot. Lazy people who refuse to work like FREE stuff so a ton of them came and of course cannot behave to save their lives.
All the people had to prove was that they lived in milwaukee and nothing else. It was basically your typical lazy inner city trash trying to get more free handouts from people who actually work.
The comments from these people on the news were pathetic! They actually were complaining how hard it was to get FREE food.
There is no food shortage in the Midwest just a bunch of low life lazy people who have nothing better to do then to cause trouble while waiting for their government handout!
If you go to the FEMA offices in the better parts of the state this does not go on and everything runs very smooth.
Huh, imagine that. Who would have figured the .gov is giving away free stuff in the inner city.
Lemme see.....Wait....
*tap tap tap*.....
Nope, my Give-A-Damn meter seems to be broke. The sooner those welfare queens STARVE the happier I'll be. I for one and DAMNED tired of working my arse off and paying taxes so they can lounge around all day. _________________ "Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the
Abyss, the Abyss gazes also into you."
Ammo at a gunfight is like bubblegum in grade school: If you havent brought enough for everyone, you're in trouble
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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 10:31 am Post subject: Re: Milwaukee food riot
The part about the 50 year old woman falling down and having people walk on her back to get ahead just about sums up my view on society. It's everyone for themselves in a lot of places here in the US. (Heck, we even fight other people in the stores to get those Christmas bargains) Remember the report of unrest in south Florida when they were giving away low income housing vouchers? Any kind of free give away is asking for trouble. Here in the Atlanta area, a local theme park had an event to give away free tickets and the same thing happened. They were swamped with people and "caught off guard."
In this country, we have a huge and growing underclass that is just one step away from total mayhem even in supposedly good economic times. Trust me, I know from living in the Orlando area. People will kill you for $5.00. What the heck is going to happen to these people as the vice tightens? This is one factor that was mentioned when light rail systems were first proposed in some areas in FL. People didn't want criminals riding into their neighborhoods on the train. (No trains have been built yet) As we saw with Katrina, lots of people just have no transportation options at all on their own. But I guess carjacking would work.
PS- That's hardcore about the murder of the Chik-fil-A owner who was just trying to help some people. What a shame.
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 10:35 am Post subject: Re: Milwaukee food riot
Speaking of Katrina it funny how the people down there sat on there butts and waited for the Government to help them, and rioted and looted while they waited!!
Then you have the Midwesterners who actually went to work trying to save their properties. No crying for federal dollar handouts up here in the decent parts of WI. Everyone is just WORKING HARD to rebuild what they WORKED HARD to get.
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 2:30 pm Post subject: Re: Milwaukee food riot
Oh, you're all just totally full of sh*t.
The states that get the largest amount of "free hand outs" from the federal government are the states that always show up "red" on the election charts. Why aren't you railing against those lazy people?
Oh, wait, I think I know...
Because those lazy people are all white and the folks in Milwaukee were black.
Unless you're an Amish farmer walking behind his team an average of 50,000 steps a day, you're all pretty damn lazy. Cheap oil has made us all that way.
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 4:20 pm Post subject: Re: Milwaukee food riot
dohboi wrote:
Oh, you're all just totally full of sh*t.
The states that get the largest amount of "free hand outs" from the federal government are the states that always show up "red" on the election charts. Why aren't you railing against those lazy people?
Oh, wait, I think I know...
Because those lazy people are all white and the folks in Milwaukee were black.
Unless you're an Amish farmer walking behind his team an average of 50,000 steps a day, you're all pretty damn lazy. Cheap oil has made us all that way.
Ok, folks, have at me.
I would have at you, but you posted what I was thinking. There is alot of racism, be it against jews or blacks, on these boards lately. I'm just commenting because the hate order usually goes, blacks, jews and then catholics. Which means I'm next.
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