Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 1:13 pm Post subject: Re: They have no farking clue...
AlterEgo wrote:
Yah, I got the allusions, Aflurry. But JHK has already been nailed for being sexist, and I can't respect the disconnect between his PO outlook and his political beliefs. He doesn't present a consistent set of values, and he's kind of late to the PO party. Mean rant, tho.
MyOldTDiIsStillGoing wrote:
The bubble-headed-bleach-blonde....
Kick 'em when they're up
Kick 'em when they're down
Kick 'em when they're up
Kick 'em when they're down
You talkin' to me, Jetta? I love that song. My favorite Henley of all times.
Hey, JHK maybe rough on the edges, but he has been on the McSuburbia issue for along time. Then he took the subject and then rolled it into the energy issues. So, now that the mainline media is jumping on PO, they run to him. It probably since he was an ex-NYTimes staffer so he has NYC "Creditability". In his Long Emergency, he attempts to weight out the different energies sources and alternatives that we could roll into as oil will be phasing out.
The issue JHK what hitting at was we have this news anchor at CBS suddenly putting the issue on the "lifestyle" section of their evening news and treat this issue as has happened last week: "Oil to $500 a barrel" in CNBC report, "Oh, that nice, now about the weather this weekend......". Clueless, and most people in this country are not blond...
Hey the song sorta fits in. May americans just blink their eyes about the news and move on...not knowing what they just heard.
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 1:13 pm Post subject: Re: They have no farking clue...
RdSnt wrote:
socrates1fan wrote:
emersonbiggins wrote:
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Did I think more suburbanites would move downtown? And would that be a good thing...?
I wish that was the only change to be made. That would be relatively easy compared to what we're facing.
If people lived in high density and public transportation oriented neighborhoods we would see a massive reduction of our consumption of oil.
We would also have a lot of suburban land that could be turned into farm land if they suburbanites grass chemicals haven't destroyed the soil.
If people were also able to have access to roof top gardens(Which would also reduce pollution) it would also ease our issues with produce shortages.
Cleaning up our water sources, being more renewable, etc would solve many of our issues.
Investing in train transportation would reduce our consumption of fuel even more which would buy us decades.
Mean while with this purchased time they could invest in finding renewable sources, making the resources we have renewable, and cleaning up this planet so when a major gasoline shortage hits we would be able to soften the blow.
But this doesn't have to happen to save society either.
Geez, give your head a shake for a moment. This utopian crap is not helping.
There is a specific amount of energy that each person requires to maintain a specific type of lifestyle. In N.A. that lifestyle is very energy intensive, whether you drive a car or not. You would see very little reduction in energy use from your scenario. Perhaps a little bit of gasoline would not be used but that would be more than compensated by the increase in energy use to build all the high density housing you would need, plus the huge amounts needed to return the unused parts of our concrete jungle to useable farm land. In addition you are looking at major increases in water use, with roof top gardens and suburban farming. That's just the start of a list I could make...
Yes but in the long run it would be better than our current track.
Not enough doom and gloom?
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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 1:39 pm Post subject: Re: They have no farking clue...
MyOldTDiIsStillGoing wrote:
It probably since he was an ex-NYTimes staffer so he has NYC "Creditability". In his Long Emergency, he attempts to weight out the different energies sources and alternatives that we could roll into as oil will be phasing out.
The issue JHK what hitting at was we have this news anchor at CBS suddenly putting the issue on the "lifestyle" section of their evening news and treat this issue as has happened last week: "Oil to $500 a barrel" in CNBC report, "Oh, that nice, now about the weather this weekend......". Clueless, and most people in this country are not blond...
Hey the song sorta fits in. May americans just blink their eyes about the news and move on...not knowing what they just heard.
CP Snow's point (IIRC) was that there needed to be a bridge or third culture between the two cultures of science and humanity. I think that people like Simmons, Heinberg, and Kunstler are all those bridging translators; people who take science and make it palatable to J6P. Science could actually use some cheerleaders right now. As long as they are reading and translating the science and not just self-promoting, I think it's great to have science PR guys/gals. _________________ Because it's all about the oil.
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 2:07 pm Post subject: Re: They have no farking clue...
Good point about translators. If most people hung out reading scientific articles in peer reviewed journals all the time, we would be having the kinds of problems we are having (though we may be having different ones).
Different authors are going to speak more effectively to different audiences. I taught a course where I incorporated peak oil issues into the writing assignments. I had those with leftish leanings read Heinberg, rightish read Kunstler, economics types read Simmons, and those interested in history or anthropology read Diamond. Not all of them bought everything they read (that wasn't the purpose), but they did not tend to reject the messages out of hand just because the author pressed some wrong buttons for them.
There is and should not be one sole spokesperson for this or any other movement (though I certainly agree that Dante rocks!). Don't dis Kunstler completely unless you have brought news about PO to more people more effectively than he has.
So he's cranky--what is there to be so jolly about?
So he hates the suburbs--what exactly is there to like about them?
Most men his age are sexist, but most keep it to themselves (thankfully).
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 2:22 pm Post subject: Re: They have no farking clue...
The only thing I look forward to on Monday mornings is reading Kunstler's blog. Sure, he is arrogant and sexist. Sure he is a bitter old crank. Sure, he likes to show off his vocabulary ( I usually read his blog with the Miriam Webster site open). I love his sarcasm and doomerism. He is not the ideal spokesman for peak oil. At this point, I'm thankful for anyone who is able to spread some understanding of peak oil to the masses, ideal or not. Personally, I find him entertaining, nothing more.
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 2:56 pm Post subject: Re: They have no farking clue...
AlterEgo wrote:
MyOldTDiIsStillGoing wrote:
It probably since he was an ex-NYTimes staffer so he has NYC "Creditability". In his Long Emergency, he attempts to weight out the different energies sources and alternatives that we could roll into as oil will be phasing out.
The issue JHK what hitting at was we have this news anchor at CBS suddenly putting the issue on the "lifestyle" section of their evening news and treat this issue as has happened last week: "Oil to $500 a barrel" in CNBC report, "Oh, that nice, now about the weather this weekend......". Clueless, and most people in this country are not blond...
Hey the song sorta fits in. May americans just blink their eyes about the news and move on...not knowing what they just heard.
CP Snow's point (IIRC) was that there needed to be a bridge or third culture between the two cultures of science and humanity. I think that people like Simmons, Heinberg, and Kunstler are all those bridging translators; people who take science and make it palatable to J6P. Science could actually use some cheerleaders right now. As long as they are reading and translating the science and not just self-promoting, I think it's great to have science PR guys/gals.
Apology accepted. No need to run to consoling on this one I hope...
I see there are sharks out there attacking the blonds of the world...JAWS reruns coming up..
Yes, there is a need, as on the back of JHK book "Long Emergency" mentions "a prophet of the issue of depletion of oil..". He would be the one on the Titanic who says "Did you just hear that THUMP?" He isn't the expert (as most prophets aren't) but prophets have the skill of hearing and then communicating. (A little theology injected). We need those that can pull all the data and information and tone it down for most to absorb (blonds and brunettes). They are the ones who lets us know about the life expectancy of icebergs. So as we float on our tropical iceberg, someday we wake up and, uh oh.
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I love that song. My favorite Henley of all times.
