Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
In short, the article sums up what NAFTA was really about . . .
Ensuring that Canada will be forced to sell the U.S. it's FFs.
If Canada decides to "Unilaterally Withdraw", as Heinberg put it, then I have no doubt that that will be viewed as a declaration of war.
Instead, Canada will be bled dry.
As stupid as American politicians can be, you've got to hand it to them on this one - we're going to end up raping Canada and we have their permission to do it on paper.
Here's a great quote from the article . . .
Quote:
Canada entered the Canada-U.S. free-trade agreement and NAFTA 15 or 20 years ago under very different circumstances. Then, it was widely believed that the world had plenty of cheap oil, and there were no limits to ever-increasing energy consumption.
It was "widely believed". So the Canadians are going to use the excuse that - "a lot of people were stupid like us, so we shouldn't be held to the obvious effects of our behavior."
In fact, it was not "widely believed" at all.
I don't know squat about who in the Canadian govt. sold out, but NAFTA is going to go down in history as the greatest agreed to robbery since Manhattan and the cheap necklaces. _________________ Massive Human Dieoff must occur as a result of Peak Oil. Many more than half will die. It will occur everywhere, including where you live. If you fail to recognize this, then your odds of living move toward the "going to die" group.
Joined: Feb 23, 2005 Posts: 513 Location: Winnipeg
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 9:56 am Post subject: Re: Nafta's Real Genesis - Canada's FFs
Brian Mulroney, was the guy. His party went from leading canada to 2 seats, and never recovered. It has been since been absorbed by a western based conservative party.
Joined: Aug 14, 2005 Posts: 398 Location: Mississippi Delta
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 10:00 am Post subject: Re: Nafta's Real Genesis - Canada's FFs
I didn't know a country could sell it's Founding Fathers. The way things are going, we may be down to unloading a few ourselves, though I'm pretty sure the Chinese already have options on all of the best ones... _________________ Sarah Palin: Because what we really need right now is another inexperienced, inarticulate, personable, fundamentalist governor of an oil-dependent state for president.
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 10:07 am Post subject: Re: Nafta's Real Genesis - Canada's FFs
We can't kid ourselves. A lot of Canadians knew Nafta was a bad deal and fought against it, but not near hard enough. It wasn't just the oil deal that stank.
Brian Mulroney was the best vice president the US ever had, and he led a party that has a very long history of bending the knee to the US elite. Steven Harper is no better, and while Alberta is giggling like a spoiled child, looking in the rear view mirror and Ontario, they are very happily driving themselves over a cliff. 10 years from now their cities will be ghost towns and the population will be migrating back to the east. _________________ Gravity is not a force, it is a boundary layer.
Everything is coincident.
Love: the state of suspended anticipation.
To get any appreciable distance from the Earth in
a sensible amount of time, you must lie.
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 11:44 am Post subject: Re: Nafta's Real Genesis - Canada's FFs
We all knew it. That's why the conservative party got so thrashed in 1993. Unfortunately, this agreement (which was made against the will of the people, I might add) was already on the books.
Don't worry though, it's just another in a long line of betrayals of the Canadian people by their own government that began with the closure of Avro Canada, and continues to this day under the SPP. _________________ The whole of human history is a refutation by experiment of the concept of "moral world order". - Friedrich Nietzsche
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 11:51 am Post subject: Re: Nafta's Real Genesis - Canada's FFs
Dreamtwister wrote:
We all knew it. That's why the conservative party got so thrashed in 1993. Unfortunately, this agreement (which was made against the will of the people, I might add) was already on the books.
Don't worry though, it's just another in a long line of betrayals of the Canadian people by their own government that began with the closure of Avro Canada, and continues to this day under the SPP.
Hear Hear!!
Common Ground Interview--Mel Hurtig:
Met Hurtig talks about important, astonishing, and truly amazing things Canadians should know about their country.
Imagine if Canada was a character on the reality TV show Intervention, in which families attempt to salvage the lives of their self-destructive members. From the evidence uncovered by Mel Hurtig, our country would be an easily-manipulated dolt with poor impulse control, memory problems and a bad habit of pawning off valuable possessions. In Canadian Intervention, Hurtig would play the combined role of therapist and Marine gunnery sergeant, trying to convince Canada that it’s not in its best interests to hang out with smooth-talking pundits from right-wing think tanks, tax-dodging CEOs, weapons makers or self-described “journalists” who can’t be bothered to check their sources.
Joined: May 21, 2008 Posts: 86 Location: Edmonton, tar-berta
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 12:00 pm Post subject: Re: Nafta's Real Genesis - Canada's FFs
Dreamtwister wrote:
We all knew it. That's why the conservative party got so thrashed in 1993. Unfortunately, this agreement (which was made against the will of the people, I might add) was already on the books.
Don't worry though, it's just another in a long line of betrayals of the Canadian people by their own government that began with the closure of Avro Canada, and continues to this day under the SPP.
Excellent Post. Lets please not forget that if somebody doesn't stand up and do something, Canada could be bled dry of our water. I worry more about water than oil.
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 3:15 pm Post subject: Re: Nafta's Real Genesis - Canada's FFs
Bman4k1 wrote:
Dreamtwister wrote:
We all knew it. That's why the conservative party got so thrashed in 1993. Unfortunately, this agreement (which was made against the will of the people, I might add) was already on the books.
Don't worry though, it's just another in a long line of betrayals of the Canadian people by their own government that began with the closure of Avro Canada, and continues to this day under the SPP.
Excellent Post. Lets please not forget that if somebody doesn't stand up and do something, Canada could be bled dry of our water. I worry more about water than oil.
What can we do. It's not rule by consensus anymore. With the Asper's ruling the media, and CBC cowed, many people don't have a grasp of what is going on and how deeply we have been corrupted at worst and compromised at best. Seriously...At this point, what the heck can we do?
Joined: Feb 23, 2005 Posts: 513 Location: Winnipeg
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 9:29 pm Post subject: Re: Nafta's Real Genesis - Canada's FFs
threadbear wrote:
Bman4k1 wrote:
Dreamtwister wrote:
We all knew it. That's why the conservative party got so thrashed in 1993. Unfortunately, this agreement (which was made against the will of the people, I might add) was already on the books.
Don't worry though, it's just another in a long line of betrayals of the Canadian people by their own government that began with the closure of Avro Canada, and continues to this day under the SPP.
Excellent Post. Lets please not forget that if somebody doesn't stand up and do something, Canada could be bled dry of our water. I worry more about water than oil.
What can we do. It's not rule by consensus anymore. With the Asper's ruling the media, and CBC cowed, many people don't have a grasp of what is going on and how deeply we have been corrupted at worst and compromised at best. Seriously...At this point, what the heck can we do?
Back the smaller parties try to keep the government in minority status. At the very least keep the conservatives away from a majority. The worst case...the war in Iraq has shown quite clearly the weaknesses of the US army. Any attempt by them to impose decrees through military force have proven counters.
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 6:18 am Post subject: Re: Nafta's Real Genesis - Canada's FFs
In the backs of many Canadians mind is the fear that the US at some inevitable point will simply annex Canada. The fear is not about the annexation but thoughts on what Canadians should do about it.
In my better moments I think the US would be quite surprised by the strong negative reaction from our citizens; on the bad days I think most Canadians would just shrug.
The SPP is a means to quietly annex Canada and considering the state of the US economy I don't see they have much choice. They are bankrupt and resourceless and completely unwilling to change their profligate ways.
Romanticism aside the cancellation of the Avro was the single most destructive act against Canada and is the primary reason why I will never trust a Conservative. Mulroney comes a close second. _________________ Gravity is not a force, it is a boundary layer.
Everything is coincident.
Love: the state of suspended anticipation.
To get any appreciable distance from the Earth in
a sensible amount of time, you must lie.
Joined: Oct 23, 2004 Posts: 494 Location: Canada/Quebec Province
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 2:25 pm Post subject: Re: Nafta's Real Genesis - Canada's FFs
Let me get this clear : I trust no politicians or so-called "journalists" ..NAFTA was and still is a freakin BAD idea.
But the conservatives ARE THE ONLY ONE'S who aren't trying to pry my gun from my hands !
At least, for now..
The same can't be said of the NPD, BQ and of course..the Liberal party of Canada, who already said it would take away semi-autos and handguns from the hands of the citizenship the day following their return in power.
Joined: May 21, 2008 Posts: 86 Location: Edmonton, tar-berta
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 11:48 pm Post subject: Re: Nafta's Real Genesis - Canada's FFs
RdSnt wrote:
Romanticism aside the cancellation of the Avro was the single most destructive act against Canada and is the primary reason why I will never trust a Conservative. Mulroney comes a close second.
Ya.
If you are a fan of aviation like myself. And love reading jet technical manuals you will realize the amazing technical feats of the AVRO. It would probably be still in service up until the 80s. It was so freaking technologically advanced its not even funny. And if it was still around for all of those years. AVRO would have made a succesor, we would have been the world leader in aviation. I really wish you didn't bring that up, because you are right its terrible. But it gets me VERY angry.
Schneider wrote:
But the conservatives ARE THE ONLY ONE'S who aren't trying to pry my gun from my hands !
At least, for now..
The same can't be said of the NPD, BQ and of course..the Liberal party of Canada, who already said it would take away semi-autos and handguns from the hands of the citizenship the day following their return in power.
Don't worry. Trust me, as a card carrier of the *cough* party, if we ever return to power, that will NOT happen. I will not allow it. I'm a gun loving Albertan (not really, I live in Alberta, I love guns, just not an Albertan). The Libs have to talk that way to serve Toronto, but my personal belief is that we have to tackle poverty. You tackle that,you tackle gun crimes. Thats a different story.
But getting back to my point. Water is my biggest concern because it doesn't have a real price to control consumption (rather to mitigate waste), and if we start willingly giving it to them, doesn't it become a NAFTA issue? With FFs at least some people get rich. And also at the same time at most we can give 3 mill barrels a day of oil which is a drop in the bucket.
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