Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 5:45 pm Post subject: Re: Is this a baby paw-paw?
Magnoliaceae
Maybe Cucumber Tree.
Maybe Magnolia.
Not Paw Paw. _________________ Massive Human Dieoff must occur as a result of Peak Oil. Many more than half will die. It will occur everywhere, including where you live. If you fail to recognize this, then your odds of living move toward the "going to die" group.
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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 7:07 pm Post subject: Re: Is this a baby paw-paw?
Speaking of paw paws, has anyone here actually grown one to the point of getting fruit?
I've had miserable luck with the damned things despite doing everything "right." In one case the graft failed after I wasted two years caring for the plant. In another case the plant simply up and died after thriving for two years. In a third case the plant basically refuses to grow.
All three are alive, but two of them are now seedling sprouts. They're all tiny.
A waste of time. _________________ "Actually, humans died out long ago."
---Abused, abandoned hunting dog
"Things have entered a stage where the only change that is possible is for things to get worse."
---Me and my brother
Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 7:22 pm Post subject: Re: Is this a baby paw-paw?
Hein - I haven't gotten into it too deeply, but be aware that Paw Paws are understory trees.
That means that they can't abide full sun when they're young.
My understanding is that they need to be grown in light to medium shade until they are fairly established. _________________ Massive Human Dieoff must occur as a result of Peak Oil. Many more than half will die. It will occur everywhere, including where you live. If you fail to recognize this, then your odds of living move toward the "going to die" group.
Joined: Oct 04, 2004 Posts: 5715 Location: Body in OK, Heart in TX
Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 7:41 pm Post subject: Re: Is this a baby paw-paw?
Looks a lot like magnolia to me, too, allenwrench. Sorry!
Heineken, two of my pawpaws are doing GREAT - in pots. Which you are absolutely not supposed to do because of the long taproot. I didn't intend it to work out this way, but they are now on their 3rd year in large pots. They have not fruited yet, but they are growing at a fairly rapid pace. I have a 3rd one which is in the ground at my place in TX. I just transplanted it early this year while it was still dormant (barely), and it is doing okay as well, though not as lush as the two in pots. They are in an open (extremely well ventilated) greenhouse at my mom's at the moment, and are going nuts.
Based on their performance this year vs. the previous two years, I suspect they prefer very high humidity in addition to mostly shade. This year they have really taken off, and I attribute that to the greenhouse and the daily watering at my mom's place. I have my kava there, and they are going nuts as well.
But - they have not fruited yet. Nor have they flowered. Do they flower in a noticeable way?
Maybe I have doomed them by keeping them in pots. _________________ "Every junkie's like a setting sun..." - Neil Young
Joined: Sep 14, 2004 Posts: 6625 Location: Rural Virginia
Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 8:42 pm Post subject: Re: Is this a baby paw-paw?
Cashmere wrote:
Hein - I haven't gotten into it too deeply, but be aware that Paw Paws are understory trees.
That means that they can't abide full sun when they're young.
My understanding is that they need to be grown in light to medium shade until they are fairly established.
Cash, I knew about that and provided the plants with nice protective structures armed with 65% shade cloth.
Some things work and some don't. For me, paw paws have not proven to be worth the money or time or effort. I struck out with them, but that doesn't mean others won't be successful.
Still, I'd like to hear if ANYONE on PO.com has successfully reared the things to fruiting. _________________ "Actually, humans died out long ago."
---Abused, abandoned hunting dog
"Things have entered a stage where the only change that is possible is for things to get worse."
---Me and my brother
Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 8:43 pm Post subject: Re: Is this a baby paw-paw?
Here in Australia we say paw paw to the fruit what's actually is a papaya. And this is not a papaya/paw paw. But it is said that the real paw paw is a plant that grows in colder climate.
Joined: Sep 16, 2004 Posts: 4925 Location: Southwest WI
Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 8:48 pm Post subject: Re: Is this a baby paw-paw?
Hein-
I did a bunch of research on the things last fall and it seems they like to grow in swampy areas along the Mississippi River. I got some seed to sprout, but then i gave up on them. I've got enough problem plants! Ive heard the flavor isn't great and some people think they are overrated. I'd still love to try one. _________________ Clothing should be optional.
Joined: Sep 14, 2004 Posts: 6625 Location: Rural Virginia
Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 8:50 pm Post subject: Re: Is this a baby paw-paw?
Shannymara wrote:
Looks a lot like magnolia to me, too, allenwrench. Sorry!
Heineken, two of my pawpaws are doing GREAT - in pots. Which you are absolutely not supposed to do because of the long taproot. I didn't intend it to work out this way, but they are now on their 3rd year in large pots. They have not fruited yet, but they are growing at a fairly rapid pace. I have a 3rd one which is in the ground at my place in TX. I just transplanted it early this year while it was still dormant (barely), and it is doing okay as well, though not as lush as the two in pots. They are in an open (extremely well ventilated) greenhouse at my mom's at the moment, and are going nuts.
Based on their performance this year vs. the previous two years, I suspect they prefer very high humidity in addition to mostly shade. This year they have really taken off, and I attribute that to the greenhouse and the daily watering at my mom's place. I have my kava there, and they are going nuts as well.
But - they have not fruited yet. Nor have they flowered. Do they flower in a noticeable way?
Maybe I have doomed them by keeping them in pots.
Hi, friend Shanny!
Yes, they like moisture. Lots. Maybe the best place to grow them is alongside a stream, if you have one. I have many slender paw paw trees growing naturally along a stream that runs through my tree farm south of here. However, I've not seen any fruit on them, although I've looked high and low. Maybe they're too young.
I did plant a few along a stream on my place here, but something ate them.
A problem with planting them in deep shade (such as alongside a forest stream) is that they grow very slowly and probably won't yield much fruit. A decent yield of fruit usually requires lots of sun, even for paw paws. Once paw paws are established, they can and should get full sun, or so I've read.
One of my grafted paw paws (the one I described as "thriving") flowered just before it died. The flowers are small, blackish, and exotic. Very strange flowers indeed.
Good luck with yourn, Shanny. Probably better transplant the potted ones soon (and carefully!). _________________ "Actually, humans died out long ago."
---Abused, abandoned hunting dog
"Things have entered a stage where the only change that is possible is for things to get worse."
---Me and my brother
Joined: Sep 14, 2004 Posts: 6625 Location: Rural Virginia
Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 8:54 pm Post subject: Re: Is this a baby paw-paw?
frankthetank wrote:
Hein-
I did a bunch of research on the things last fall and it seems they like to grow in swampy areas along the Mississippi River. I got some seed to sprout, but then i gave up on them. I've got enough problem plants! Ive heard the flavor isn't great and some people think they are overrated. I'd still love to try one.
I read somewhere that President George Washington's favorite dessert was "chilled paw paws."
I hear you about "problem plants." Paw paws seemed to have a strong appeal, but as so often happens, once you get into the reality it's not so pretty. _________________ "Actually, humans died out long ago."
---Abused, abandoned hunting dog
"Things have entered a stage where the only change that is possible is for things to get worse."
---Me and my brother
Joined: May 20, 2008 Posts: 336 Location: Tennessee
Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 9:44 pm Post subject: Re: Is this a baby paw-paw?
PawPaws grew all over the place where we used to live in WV. Prior to the frost-yuck, after the first good frost-they were gone to the critters. So, we didn't have alot of luck getting any pawpaws. That plant in the picture doesn't look like a pawpaw.
Joined: Sep 14, 2004 Posts: 6625 Location: Rural Virginia
Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 9:52 pm Post subject: Re: Is this a baby paw-paw?
The pic definitely does not show a paw paw.
The story of the paw paw is rather sad. They used to grow throughout much of the eastern and central US. What wiped them out was logging, specifically clear-cutting. The seeds were there in the ground after logging, and they sprouted . . . and swiftly died in the full sunlight.
The paw paw has a lot of natural genetic variation, which plant breeders have used to develop improved varieties with better-tasting fruit. However, many great wild varieties were surely wiped out without ever having been discovered.
Many people are now planting paw paws, and I suppose the species is making something of a comeback as a result. _________________ "Actually, humans died out long ago."
---Abused, abandoned hunting dog
"Things have entered a stage where the only change that is possible is for things to get worse."
---Me and my brother
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