Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 7:33 pm Post subject: Re: The Supreme Court, Peak Oil, Your Right to Bear Arms
Cashmere wrote:
I'm very worried that the SC explicitly finds no individual right to own guns.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think SCOTUS would have agreed to hear the case if they didn't see it as an opportunity to taken another chunk out of the Bill of Rights. _________________ "We were standing on the edges
Of a thousand burning bridges
Sifting through the ashes every day
What we thought would never end
Now is nothing more than a memory
The way things were before
I lost my way" - OCMS
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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 7:43 pm Post subject: Re: The Supreme Court, Peak Oil, Your Right to Bear Arms
The court seems to be more concerned about protecting the rights of child rapists and non-citizen enemy combatants than the rights honest law biding Americans.
Your rights will not be taken away all at once....... it will be a slow process. Like the old adage about the frog in hot water. Just increase the heat slowly.....he won't know he is cooking!!
When the oil runs out, and the lights go dark.........they don't want you to have a gun. We are much easier to manage when we can't fight back.
Wake up sheepeople....they are closing the gate and taking you to slaughter! _________________ Viddy well, little brother. Viddy well.
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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 7:54 pm Post subject: Re: The Supreme Court, Peak Oil, Your Right to Bear Arms
AlexdeLarge wrote:
The court seems to be more concerned about protecting the rights of child rapists and non-citizen enemy combatants than the rights honest law biding Americans.
Your rights will not be taken away all at once....... it will be a slow process. Like the old adage about the frog in hot water. Just increase the heat slowly.....he won't know he is cooking!!
When the oil runs out, and the lights go dark.........they don't want you to have a gun. We are much easier to manage when we can't fight back.
Wake up sheepeople....they are closing the gate and taking you to slaughter!
Gotta agree with you. The only line I would change is "Your rights have not been taken away all at once. . ." _________________ "The era of procrastination, of half-measures, of soothing and baffling expedients, of delays, is coming to a close. In its place we are entering a period of consequences…"
Sir Winston Churchill
Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 8:02 pm Post subject: Re: The Supreme Court, Peak Oil, Your Right to Bear Arms
Quote:
The court seems to be more concerned about protecting the rights of child rapists and non-citizen enemy combatants than the rights honest law biding Americans.
Rights are for everyone, no matter how much we hate them. If we decide that the people we hate most don't deserve the same rights that are given to us,then sooner or later we will single out another group then another.After awhile the lines will be so blurred that it will be fine to remove all rights from everyone and it will be legal for them to do it because we let them start doing it in the first place.
Give an inch and they will take a mile. _________________ Nothing is more dangerous than a man with nothing left to lose but has everything left to gain.
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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 8:08 pm Post subject: Re: The Supreme Court, Peak Oil, Your Right to Bear Arms
I don't see the elites allowing a broad 2nd Amendment ruling which would return gun rights to pre-1933. I agree the Supreme Court will strike down the DC ban but will leave the door open to regulations such as licensing. Of course in many places, like NYC, this is the same as an outright ban since only the well-connected can obtain a gun license. _________________ The birds shall re-inherit the earth.
Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 8:20 pm Post subject: Re: The Supreme Court, Peak Oil, Your Right to Bear Arms
Only reason I see they would ever even consider taking the case is to establish once and for all in a citable precedent that the 2nd amendment is null and void. It's probably a preparatory move for some huge new gun grab by President Obama. _________________ "We were standing on the edges
Of a thousand burning bridges
Sifting through the ashes every day
What we thought would never end
Now is nothing more than a memory
The way things were before
I lost my way" - OCMS
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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 8:39 pm Post subject: Re: The Supreme Court, Peak Oil, Your Right to Bear Arms
Doesn't really matter one way or the other to me. Keep them, hide them, in the worse case scenario. Bureaucracies will be of no consequence in 10 years time. Just make sure you have adequate amounts of modern manufactured ammo to go along with each of your fire arm possessions! _________________ Skeptical scrutiny in both Science and Religion is the means by which deep thoughts are winnowed from deep nonsense-Carl Sagan
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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 9:03 pm Post subject: Re: The Supreme Court, Peak Oil, Your Right to Bear Arms
SILENTTODD wrote:
Doesn't really matter one way or the other to me.
Hmmmmm...........which other right do you want to relinquish between now and TEOTWAWKI?
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
Amendment II
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
Amendment III
No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.
Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
Amendment VI
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.
Amendment VII
In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.
Amendment VIII
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
Amendment IX
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people. _________________ Viddy well, little brother. Viddy well.
Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 9:07 pm Post subject: Re: The Supreme Court, Peak Oil, Your Right to Bear Arms
It's better if you don't think of them as rights. Think of them as suggestions. Creating a massive government and expecting it not to infringe your rights is like asking your rapist to wear a condom. _________________ "We were standing on the edges
Of a thousand burning bridges
Sifting through the ashes every day
What we thought would never end
Now is nothing more than a memory
The way things were before
I lost my way" - OCMS
Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 9:21 pm Post subject: Re: The Supreme Court, Peak Oil, Your Right to Bear Arms
SILENTTODD wrote:
Doesn't really matter one way or the other to me. Keep them, hide them, in the worse case scenario. Bureaucracies will be of no consequence in 10 years time. Just make sure you have adequate amounts of modern manufactured ammo to go along with each of your fire arm possessions!
I have to agree. Rights and laws are fine in a functioning civilization. I don't believe we will have that in five years. Alot of things that we think are of importance now will become meaningless in the near future _________________ Nothing is more dangerous than a man with nothing left to lose but has everything left to gain.
Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 9:24 pm Post subject: Re: The Supreme Court, Peak Oil, Your Right to Bear Arms
smallpoxgirl wrote:
Only reason I see they would ever even consider taking the case is to establish once and for all in a citable precedent that the 2nd amendment is null and void. It's probably a preparatory move for some huge new gun grab by President Obama.
Being the person who I am, I would think this true. However, if you heard the questioning when the SCOTUS heard the case (in March, February or whenever it was), Kennedy (a liberal/moderate) was vigorously questioning the validity of the DC handgun ban out of the gate. Scalia and Roberts were also pressing the issue vehemently. Judging by their tone at the outset, I would be extremely surprised if a majority were to chip away at the Second Amendment any further.
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 12:00 am Post subject: Re: The Supreme Court, Peak Oil, Your Right to Bear Arms
smallpoxgirl wrote:
Cashmere wrote:
I'm very worried that the SC explicitly finds no individual right to own guns.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think SCOTUS would have agreed to hear the case if they didn't see it as an opportunity to taken another chunk out of the Bill of Rights.
Joined: Apr 04, 2005 Posts: 473 Location: Seattle, WA
Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 12:03 am Post subject: Re: The Supreme Court, Peak Oil, Your Right to Bear Arms
AlexdeLarge wrote:
The court seems to be more concerned about protecting the rights of child rapists and non-citizen enemy combatants than the rights honest law biding Americans.
Your rights will not be taken away all at once....... it will be a slow process. Like the old adage about the frog in hot water. Just increase the heat slowly.....he won't know he is cooking!!
Those two examples are the exception to the rule: this court is only about taking away civil rights. The conservative plurality hasn't met a gov't ceasar of civil rights that it hasn't liked.
You're right about the boiling frog theory. That's exactly what happened in German in 1932. Before they knew it, Riechstag ceded total power to hitler via the Enabling Act.
All we need is some pretext here in the U.S., and then, the gov't can declare martial law.
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 12:06 am Post subject: Re: The Supreme Court, Peak Oil, Your Right to Bear Arms
smallpoxgirl wrote:
Only reason I see they would ever even consider taking the case is to establish once and for all in a citable precedent that the 2nd amendment is null and void. It's probably a preparatory move for some huge new gun grab by President Obama.
I disagree. I just don't see Kennedy agreeing to a lack of individual gun rights.
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 12:09 am Post subject: Re: The Supreme Court, Peak Oil, Your Right to Bear Arms
Jotapay wrote:
smallpoxgirl wrote:
Only reason I see they would ever even consider taking the case is to establish once and for all in a citable precedent that the 2nd amendment is null and void. It's probably a preparatory move for some huge new gun grab by President Obama.
Being the person who I am, I would think this true. However, if you heard the questioning when the SCOTUS heard the case (in March, February or whenever it was), Kennedy (a liberal/moderate) was vigorously questioning the validity of the DC handgun ban out of the gate. Scalia and Roberts were also pressing the issue vehemently. Judging by their tone at the outset, I would be extremely surprised if a majority were to chip away at the Second Amendment any further.
Kennedy is no liberal or moderate. He's quite conservative. I realize that you compare him to Scalia/Alito, he doesn't appear conservative. But that's because Scalito are so radical right that they make Mitch McConnell look like a democrat.
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