Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:24 am Post subject: Re: When will England pay reparations to the Irish descenden
Oh dear, I seem to have upset a few.
Firstly, apologies to all for my use of everyday english slang. NOT my intention to insult, if offended I apologise. Peak oil is indeed an international site, so I wont use these phrases again.
Secondly, Yes I was born in England, There is Welsh blood on my fathers side (Pentrebach, near Merthyr), Scottish blood on my mothers (Isle of Skye). Also part of the family traced from North Yorkshire, Cumberland, & Staffordshire. We English are not a "pure" race, look at your history books.
I only speak, read & write English, but can converse a little Thai. (wife from there). Yes, we are linguistically lazy, but my son is learning French, Spanish & German at school, as well as Thai at home. Things are improving.
Thirdly, Invention of anything is a moot point. The first device that can be classified as a reaction steam turbine is the aeolipile proposed by Hero of Alexandria, during the 1st century AD.
So - you can argue we didn't invent either turbines (jet engines) or steam engines. We english certainly developed & applied those things though.
Fourthly, Name anouther country (besides perhaps the USA) that has had as much effect, positive & negative on the modern world as we have. I can't.
Lastly, A lot of English / UK / British bashing going on here. But then again, thats been going on since the Romans came. We are well used to it, sunshine !!!!.
Have a nice day.
Gasmon _________________ Been there, Done that, Bought the tee-shirt
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 11:04 am Post subject: Re: When will England pay reparations to the Irish descenden
Kaj wrote:
A more "logical" language, like Japanese, can be rather culturally restricting.
I wouldn't count Japanese as a logical language
Latin, German maybe, but Japanese is even more impressionistic than English. That's why haikus are so hard to translate... _________________ only the paranoid survive
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 11:15 am Post subject: Re: When will England pay reparations to the Irish descenden
GASMON wrote:
There is Welsh blood on my fathers side (Pentrebach, near Merthyr), Scottish blood on my mothers (Isle of Skye).
So you're a Taffy woolyback groundskeeper Willie Jock who wants to be a Sasainn. Good for you.
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I only speak, read & write English
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Why am I not surprised ? Quel sauvage!
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Thirdly, Invention of anything is a moot point.
Then why do you insist on making that point ? Come on man, Britain doesn't have a monopoly on civilization. Oh, and most of the great British inventions are due to the Scots. Like James Watt
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Fourthly, Name anouther country (besides perhaps the USA) that has had as much effect, positive & negative on the modern world as we have. I can't.
Perhaps Russia, Germany, Portugal, Spain ? Was Columbus British ? Maybe Cortes ? Magellan ? Luther ? Napoleon ? Hitler ? Lenin ? Marx ? Kant ?
Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 12:27 pm Post subject: Re: When will England pay reparations to the Irish descenden
btu2012 wrote:
So you're a Taffy woolyback groundskeeper Willie Jock who wants to be a Sasainn. Good for you
btu2012 WHAT / WHERE exactly are you, whats your background ? - I've had a quick trawl thru 16 of your 149 pages. Not very enlightening. Not very technical either, are you, given peak oil is a largely technically oriented phenomenon.
Just interested.
Yes, by your description above I'm bit of a mongrel. I growl a bit, but rarely bite !!!!! (pee on lamp posts now & again !!!!!).
Gasmon _________________ Been there, Done that, Bought the tee-shirt
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 12:48 pm Post subject: Re: When will England pay reparations to the Irish descenden
GASMON wrote:
Secondly, Yes I was born in England, There is Welsh blood on my fathers side (Pentrebach, near Merthyr), Scottish blood on my mothers (Isle of Skye). Also part of the family traced from North Yorkshire, Cumberland, & Staffordshire.
I think of myself as English but if I go back 4 generations I have Welsh, Cornish, English and French blood (plus, perhaps, Viking if I go back further).
If this reparations thing catches on I will be in a continual state of apologising and giving myself reparations!
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 2:01 pm Post subject: Re: When will England pay reparations to the Irish descenden
energycity wrote:
If this reparations thing catches on I will be in a continual state of apologising and giving myself reparations!
I think that all of you(r parts) definitely have a claim against the Roman Empire. Guess their rightful descendants are now in Italy. _________________ only the paranoid survive
Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 4:00 pm Post subject: Re: When will England pay reparations to the Irish descenden
GASMON wrote:
Secondly, Yes I was born in England, There is Welsh blood on my fathers side (Pentrebach, near Merthyr), Scottish blood on my mothers (Isle of Skye).
well the Welsh and Scots side are close to the Irish (who originally invaded Scotland) and I believe there are genetic studies linking them all (and to a lesser extent the English) to the Basques.......who are among the earliest European settlers....so I blame it on the Saxon Hordes, Celts or whoever pushed us to the west of Europe.
Somehow in the migration early European stone age cooking skills got isolated on these two Islands, while the rest of Europe developed more advanced culinary arts. _________________ "wherever you go , there you are"
Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 4:12 pm Post subject: Re: When will England pay reparations to the Irish descenden
For some reason I just can't equate Roman military genius with their supposed decendants now residing in Europe's boot. I reckon the Romans en masse emigrated to East Prussia. _________________ www.askaboutenergy.com
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Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 6:38 pm Post subject: Re: When will England pay reparations to the Irish descenden
Denny wrote:
Since Canada has acknowledged its evils toward the native Indians years ago, will England ever follow suit for the Irish?.........
They did everything they could to force the Irish to abandon their Catholic faith and forbade native Irish schools on the basis of faith.
Cheers!
On your first point - I believe Tony Blair apologised for past deeds several years ago when he was PM, shortly after the Anglo-Irish agreement was signed. Presumably you didn't known that (being 3000 miles away)? It was, rightly in my view, derided as a PR stunt - it's not as if there's a single living non Irish Brit who had an hand in 19th century events.
Re the Catholic stuff - I'm surprised you didn't condemn Henry 8th for the dissolution of the monasteries, and the seizure of 'Catholic' assets in the 1530s and the adoption of Protestantism (which spread massively via the empire, starting with his daughter Elizabeth 1).
Though if you're a fan of religious bigotry I'd recommend a holiday in Glasgow, or 'Belfast Lite' as some locals jokingly call it. Have you heard the joke about an atheist who gets cornered in a Glasgow pub and a bloke demands to know if he's Catholic or Protestant - he says he's an atheist, so the questioner says, 'aye, but are you a Catholic or Protestant atheist?!'
As for the rest of the (tongue in cheek I presume) post; while it's expedient to blame the wicked English for all the evils of the British Empire, all of the component nations of Britain at the time (inc Scots, Welsh, and Irish) played an enthusiastic part in the 3 century long smash and grab raid on the assets of the native Americans, aborigines, maories, Indians, etc!
As for reparations: I'll buy you a pint of beer if you're ever over in Yorkshire! Incidentally, at the Synod of Whitby (Yorks, and the place where the Irish horror writer Bram Stoker placed the original Dracula novel) in 664 it was a toss up whether the Celtic or the Roman version of Christianity was adopted for the British Isles. I oversimplify (except for the beer and Bram Stoker stuff) though not as much as you have!
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 7:58 am Post subject: Re: When will England pay reparations to the Irish descenden
btu2012 wrote:
Gasmon,
What about getting out of Northern Ireland aka Ulster ?
How's that for a common sense move from Good Ole England ?
It isn't really that simple, though. It's arguable that Ireland should never have been partitioned; that when the majority of the country voted to become the Free State within the Empire, that that should have been that. But the Orange Card was played, the country was divided, and Northern Ireland came into existence too. Well, it's existed for nearly a century now, and while it certainly has not looked after the interests of its Catholic minority well until very recently, it still exists as a recognized polity in the world and as part of the UK.
The important thing to remember is that it's the wishes of the people who live there that are paramount. The majority of the people of Northern Ireland want to remain in the UK. They were partitioned because they didn't want to cease being British in the first place. It would be wrong for the UK to abandon the place until such time (if ever) that the people of Northern Ireland determine to quit the UK, either to be independent or to join the Irish Republic. Would it be right for the US to kick out, say, Alaska, even if the Alaskans wanted to remain in the US and considered themselves (ugh) "American" (by which I mean US citizens)? Would it be right for Canada to kick out New Brunswick in spite of their wishes to remain?
I give the UK quite a bit of credit for its stance in recent years. They forced a lot of necessary change on Northern Ireland, over the heads and objections of a lot of Unionists, that benefitted the Nationalists and went a long way in creating a Northern Ireland that nobody loved, but most people could at least grudgingly support. Now that there's real power sharing, what happens to the place in the years to come will be for all of its people combined to decide, with Belfast in communion with London and Dublin now. Maybe NI will never technically join the ROI... but in practical sense, maybe that's an idea that's been rendered effectively pointless now. _________________ I can has cheezburger?
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 8:07 am Post subject: Re: When will England pay reparations to the Irish descenden
GASMON wrote:
Lastly, A lot of English / UK / British bashing going on here. But then again, thats been going on since the Romans came. We are well used to it, sunshine !!!!.
Well, they couldn't have been bashing the English or the UK. After all, the Romans arrived to stay in A.D. 43. The English didn't arrive for another four centuries, in 449 (when they did quite a bit of bashing of the British, whom they called the Walhas -- "foreigners"... the Welsh). The English were a bunch of Germans, after all... ironic that they would later get uppity about having in a "German" king in the body of George I and George II, et al., isn't it? And, of course, the United Kingdom wasn't created until 1707. _________________ I can has cheezburger?
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And, of course, the United Kingdom wasn't created until 1707.
