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pstarr
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 Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 10:59 am Post subject: Re: Fixing Peak Oil Is Easy |
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| Ludi wrote: | | pstarr wrote: |
Sorry. It is much too late for that now. The suburbs mowed over and paved the permaculture garden. You are trapped. There is no escape. |
And we're still busily paving over the best agricultural land, every day.
Busy busy busy! |
Hi Ludi. I just got back from a digital hiatus.
On a positive note (now that I am the good happy JohnDenver  ), if folks in the burbs put their minds and bodies to the project they could depave the streets and driveway, use the black asphalt for solar mass to heat greenhouses, and dissassemble and rebuild their wooden-frame houses into tighter community building with joined walls (for energy efficiency) leaving even more land.
Isn't that nice?
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Ludi
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| Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 11:01 am Post subject: Re: Fixing Peak Oil Is Easy |
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| pstarr wrote: |
Isn't that nice? |
That would be keen, except the land they're left with after depaving is sterile subsoil.
Takes awhile to fix that up so you can grow stuff in it, as you know.
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Specop_007
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| Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 11:04 am Post subject: Re: Fixing Peak Oil Is Easy |
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Ah, so if we all become peace loving hippies sitting around holding hands singing kumbaya and sharing we will be saved??
Funny, I aint buyin it.
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pstarr
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| Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 2:10 pm Post subject: Re: Fixing Peak Oil Is Easy |
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| Specop_007 wrote: | Ah, so if we all become peace loving hippies sitting around holding hands singing kumbaya and sharing we will be saved??
Funny, I aint buyin it. |
One heavily armed Specialtycop_007 vs. 100 hippies with pitchforks. Who wins?
The hippies have a hive mind. Consensus (and drugs) have melded their egos into a single entity larger and more powerful than the weapons that specialty cop wields. They keep coming. They keep coming. The barrel on Specialtycop_007 WASR-10 is smokin and he's runnin low on amno. The hippies keep coming. They're falling like flies, BUT THE LIVING WORK TOGETHER. Specialtycop_007 fires off his last round and cries as the hairy hordes descends on his weakened body. End of story.
Ludi, in the meantime the goats browse the weeds in the cracks on the freeway.
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mos6507
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| Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 5:17 pm Post subject: Re: Fixing Peak Oil Is Easy |
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Fixing peak oil is easy. Fewer people, less oil demand.
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joelcolorado
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| Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 5:44 pm Post subject: Re: Fixing Peak Oil Is Easy |
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| There is so much land NOT farmed. Come to Kansas. Or any plains state. More than enough for everyone. Its not lack its allocation. |
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pstarr
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| Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 6:02 pm Post subject: Re: Fixing Peak Oil Is Easy |
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| joelcolorado wrote: | | There is so much land NOT farmed. Come to Kansas. Or any plains state. More than enough for everyone. Its not lack its allocation. |
According to USDA there are 400 million acres of 'arable' land in the US. I have no idea where they got that number though I suspect it it measured by local ag. extensions etc. That is really not that much, only 1 acre per person which is kind of close for comfort. A lot of land not already farmed is sort of necessary for our planetary ecologic support system--honey bees, pest predators, fresh water, and all those other silly 'permacultural' component that inexpensive oil cheapens.
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