Mexican Army and their violence appears in Phoenix...

hope_full · Heavy Crude Joined: May 27, 2008 Posts: 173

This news story strikes me as both scary and disturbing. Why is the Mexican army coming onto American soil? Isn't that rather bold? Does anyone else here find this news report ominious?

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burtonridr · Intermediate Crude Joined: Aug 03, 2007 Posts: 584

Woah!

I guess it was only a matter of time... We keep doing it in other countries without their permission...
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Windmills

Interesting. I wonder if drug cartels will lure away more Mexican soldiers once their government can no longer afford to pay them as their oil revenue bottoms out. The US police could be in for some serious shootouts if they're facing better trained fighters than your typical middle-school dropout gang retards.

Perhaps some day this country, after numerous decades, will wake up and realize that our drug policy is a complete failure. I'd like to see everything legalized, home grown, regulated, taxed for funding for rehab and law enforcement, and sold out of shops. It'd bankrupt a number of gangs are cartels overnight. We'll never get rid of the drug problem, but we could easily get rid of the worst types of drug crime, including organized drug crimes. I can easily beat down some tweaker trying to steal my DVD player for drug money. It's another story to be overrun by well-armed gangs supported by the generous drug funding we, as a country, donate to them every day.

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As most of us here know, in three years Mexico will no longer be able to fund most of its treasury, because by then Mexico will be a net importer of oil. Their state funding will weaken well before that as exports decline over the coming months.

So what will the Mexican army do to fund itself? It's certainly not going away and must find a way to pay for itself. Since it has to fund itself somehow, 'taxing' drug operations is the rational option. I assume the army knows they'll be cut off from most of its state funding soon, and is now seriously getting geared up for this.

We shouldn't be surprised to read of Mexico's transformation from state funded military to drug funded military. Where else will they get money a few years from now? We know Mexico will economically and socially unravel leaving the army (and maybe the church) as the only islands of social stability. There are so many issues and questions as this process unfolds, but the big question is, how will the USA react as this transformation occurs? It's now getting underway and will be fascinating to watch... from a safe distance.
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Windmills

The irony could be that Americans will end up fighting the very people we are funding through our drug purchases. We'll literally be paying one group of people to come across the border and commit crimes, and then have to pay another group of people to fight the first group. It would be simpler just to not pay the criminals to come here, I'd think.

Dreamtwister · Fission Joined: Feb 06, 2006 Posts: 2092

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I will be paying attention to how much attention this gets on talk radio cable, "entertain-news," blogs and other opinion leaders. I don't think this will break the case open for the anti-Mexico crown but it will sure add to the body of evidence for those ready to build a concrete wall and deport the deportable.

Is anyone hearing this discussed at their respective water cooler or office copy machine? Did Lou Dobbs pick up on it? Rush or Beck? Did your grandfather send you an email forward? I, for one, would appreciate any observations about how people are reacting to the story posted in either this thread or perhaps this more general thread.
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crossthread · Heavy Crude Joined: Jun 20, 2004 Posts: 179

Mexico just recieved 400 Million too *fight* the Drug War, No strings Attached...

Mexico gets drug-war money despite abuses
Some criticize U.S. for not requiring military to clean up its act

HUETAMO, Mexico - Victor de la Paz was riding back from school on a January evening with a friend, just three blocks from home, when uniformed men emerged from the darkness and motioned for them to stop.

Moments later, a soldier opened fire with an assault rifle. De la Paz, 16, slumped to the ground in his bloodied school uniform, already fatally wounded as the soldiers wrestled his body from the car.

The army said the boys ignored commands to pull over, but Victor's father said shots were fired without enough warning.

Mexico's National Human Rights Commission has documented 634 such cases of alleged abuse by the military since President Felipe Calderon sent more than 20,000 soldiers across the nation to take back territory controlled by drug traffickers.

But $400 million in drug-war aid just approved by the U.S. Congress doesn't require the U.S. to independently verify that the military has cleaned up its fight, as many American lawmakers and Mexican human rights groups had insisted.

Instead, the money comes with few strings and no yearly evaluations — exactly what Calderon wanted.

"The U.S. government has finally recognized that this is a shared problem, a bilateral one," Interior Secretary Juan Camilo Mourino said Friday.
Cont.....

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25419953/

Kylon · Expert Joined: Aug 12, 2005 Posts: 803

Sounds like a 400 million dollar bribe for not invading the U.S.

BTW, I don't think they will EVER get rid of the war on drugs.

It provides too much government money that can easily be redirected towards inefficient pork barrel projects.

Furthermore, the drug lords have loads of cash, and I'm sure that they probably finance political organizations that pay politicians to be adamant against drugs, thus creating a restriction in lawful supply, which allows their unlawful activity to be extremely profitable.

Itsallcomindown · Tar Sands Joined: May 25, 2008 Posts: 20

This is not the first time something like this has happened. I remember a few years ago, the Texas state police exchanged fire with Mexicans wearing military uniforms and driving a military humvee.

Also, I had some friends in the natl. guard that went down to the border about a year or 2 ago. They were on an lp/op (listening post/ observation post consisting of 2-3 people off in the middle of nowhere). They were approached by 6 heavily armed Mexicans in military uniforms who began flanking them from about 200 meters. They called to higher and were ordered to leave, after all they were only there to observe an assist the border patrol. Of course it was never reported that these guys were found so a lot of good that did but even if they wanted to fight they only had one magazine apiece.

Yes, there are billion dollar drug cartels on the border, waiting for the U.S. to slip up so they can make a move. Is peak oil that slip up? If you think you are ready for a post peak oil world, you may want to rethink it a little bit. One man, no matter how prepaired can not hold back armies. Beans and bullets are a must but we will also have to be in fairly large groups of like minded individuals in order to survive.

GeneralGreen

Mexico still has around 85-100 million people living there... I expect a rush from 2010-2015 from Mexico to the states...as the economy and nation unwind and go bankrupt.
As the long emergency gets swinging in full gear around 2012 I expect anouther 20-30 million MORE Mexicans to make their up North. And the politicians of the USA will do nothing but let them in and maybe give millions of them amnesty.
I also expect in the next 4 years..about 5-10 million other people to flood into the USA via Asia-The Mid East-Somalia-The modern hell hole of South Africa.ect...
From 1990-2005 over 35 million immigrants -legal 'and mostly illegal have flooded into the states. Most from the 3rd world.
I expect about the same if not more in the next 10 years to flood in.
My prediction is by 2018 The USA will have close to 350 million people. "50+ million illegal"

Dreamtwister · Fission Joined: Feb 06, 2006 Posts: 2092

Nope, this is what those Halliburton prison camps and the D.R.E.A.M. act are for. They will either serve in the military, or be rounded up and...well...I'll let your imagination take over from there.
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