I think this is the beginnings of an economy based on perpetual growth and fossil fuel energy running headlong into geological energy constraints. Basically I see an undulatory downward path for the rest of my life. From here out, I think any rallies in our economic condition are going to be met with spiking commodity prices that knock us right back down.
Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 6:39 pm Post subject: Re: Why Technology Will Solve Peak Oil in the End
MrBean wrote:
MonteQuest wrote:
I"m not here to win debates or feed an ego.
You certaily don't give such impression. You give the impression of identifying with your opinions and getting defencive if this or that of your opinions is put in question, corrected, put in larger perspective etc.
No, I tire of debating people who do not have enough grasp of the concepts to be debating them. The debate becomes foolish and tedious.
Do some homework. You are not up to the task. _________________ A Saudi saying, "My father rode a camel. I drive a car. My son flies a jet-plane. His son will ride a camel."
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Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 6:41 pm Post subject: Re: Why Technology Will Solve Peak Oil in the End
yesplease wrote:
MonteQuest wrote:
Same thing.
Your quote tags are all screwed up. What's the same thing?
You and a troll. _________________ A Saudi saying, "My father rode a camel. I drive a car. My son flies a jet-plane. His son will ride a camel."
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Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 6:56 pm Post subject: Re: Why Technology Will Solve Peak Oil in the End
yesplease wrote:
At no point in the quote I posted did you make any reference to developing countries.
Well, they are where the action is.
The developing nations as a group now have 80% of the world’s population and generate 96% of its growth.
The on-going increase of world population can therefore be understood to represent unfinished demographic transitions in diverse pre-industrial societies.
Societies that will not see the industrialization that drove down fertility rates in the developed, industrialized nations over the last 40 years as they went through Stage 4 of the transition. _________________ A Saudi saying, "My father rode a camel. I drive a car. My son flies a jet-plane. His son will ride a camel."
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Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 7:17 pm Post subject: Re: Why Technology Will Solve Peak Oil in the End
MonteQuest wrote:
MrBean wrote:
So am I to understand that in your (private) definition, a developing country is a country with a high birth rate? Or unindustrialized country? Or both?
Let's see what wikipedia says about "developing country":
Google Demographic Transition and see what they say a developing country is. I don't have a private definition. Look at the four stages. Now look where the population growth rates are the highest. Plug them into the model.
Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 7:21 pm Post subject: Re: Why Technology Will Solve Peak Oil in the End
MonteQuest wrote:
MrBean wrote:
MonteQuest wrote:
I"m not here to win debates or feed an ego.
You certaily don't give such impression. You give the impression of identifying with your opinions and getting defencive if this or that of your opinions is put in question, corrected, put in larger perspective etc.
No, I tire of debating people who do not have enough grasp of the concepts to be debating them. The debate becomes foolish and tedious.
Do some homework. You are not up to the task.
All debates are foolish and tedious. So why do you debate instead of discussing?
Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 7:32 pm Post subject: Re: Why Technology Will Solve Peak Oil in the End
MrBean wrote:
All debates are foolish and tedious. So why do you debate instead of discussing?
No, I tire of people who do not have enough grasp of the concepts to be discussing them. The discussion becomes foolish and tedious.
Do some homework. You are not up to the task.
That better? _________________ A Saudi saying, "My father rode a camel. I drive a car. My son flies a jet-plane. His son will ride a camel."
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Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 9:08 pm Post subject: Re: Why Technology Will Solve Peak Oil in the End
yesplease wrote:
MonteQuest wrote:
yesplease wrote:
At no point in the quote I posted did you make any reference to developing countries.
Well, they are where the action is.
Could be, but they weren't specifically what you were talking about.
Sure were. It's also what the UN was talking about when they made those projections. _________________ A Saudi saying, "My father rode a camel. I drive a car. My son flies a jet-plane. His son will ride a camel."
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Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 9:16 pm Post subject: Re: Why Technology Will Solve Peak Oil in the End
TonyPrep wrote:
yesplease wrote:
TonyPrep wrote:
yesplease wrote:
not a proof so to speak, as noted by the If suchansuch, then suchandsuch bit. Not a whole lot to to prove there.
So, an opinion, not a logical statement. The "if ... then" implied that one follows from the other, which it did not.
Not an opinion, an axiom. You are familiar w/ 'em aren't you?
Yeah. Yours is not an axiom.
"If oil consumption drives GDP then w/o oil we can't have GDP, otoh if GDP drives oil consumption, then w/o oil we can still have GDP." Seems pretty axiomatic to me. There is an assumption, followed by a logical result. Clearly, if oil drives GDP, that is to say we cannot have GDP w/o oil, then w/o oil we cannot have GDP. Otoh, if GDP drives oil, w/o oil we can still have GDP since it's composed of many other things besides oil use and is constantly changing. In any event, look at the upside, at least you tried!
TonyPrep wrote:
Sorry. It's an illogical opinion.
You seem quite fond of saying this, however I haven't seen you offer anything to support it. That being said, I shouldn't be surprised considering you also claimed to know the future. How's your crystal ball doing btw? _________________
Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 9:20 pm Post subject: Re: Why Technology Will Solve Peak Oil in the End
MonteQuest wrote:
yesplease wrote:
MonteQuest wrote:
Same thing.
Your quote tags are all screwed up. What's the same thing?
You and a troll.
If anything, at least you're consistent. We can rely on good 'ol Monte for an ad hominem in lieu of supporting their statements, or even providing something that isn't trivial, in a thread. _________________
Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 9:22 pm Post subject: Re: Why Technology Will Solve Peak Oil in the End
yesplease wrote:
"If oil consumption drives GDP then w/o oil we can't have GDP, otoh if GDP drives oil consumption, then w/o oil we can still have GDP."
Farking nonsense from a troll!
Nothing grows without an input of energy. Period.
End of nonsense posting.
Move the hell on! _________________ A Saudi saying, "My father rode a camel. I drive a car. My son flies a jet-plane. His son will ride a camel."
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Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 9:27 pm Post subject: Re: Why Technology Will Solve Peak Oil in the End
MonteQuest wrote:
yesplease wrote:
MonteQuest wrote:
Well, they are where the action is.
Could be, but they weren't specifically what you were talking about.
Sure were.
That must be why you didn't mention them.
MonteQuest wrote:
Demographic Transition is made possible by cheap, readily available fossil fuels which allows for the rise in the standard of living/economic growth that lowers fertility.
As an aside, it's so nice to see you restorting to claims that you were talking about what you weren't talking about. Shoot, why even bother posting anything? All ya need is one post, and the claim that you were talking about everything in way that supports any claim you feel like making, even if you didn't happen to say it. Oh lord...
Is this the doomercopianism I heard about? I suppse everyone actually posted something that results in their assertions always being correct, regardless of what they actually posted.
I think pstarr may have a job for you at his swimming pool! _________________
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