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3aidlillahi
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Theist here. Actually in a Philosophy of Religion (more like of Theology and the existence of God) class right now. Don't pray for a solution to PO; I even mock the idea of something like that.
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vision-master
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| Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 10:05 am Post subject: Re: Do Christians and other theists pray to God to fix PO? |
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| 3aidlillahi wrote: | | Theist here. Actually in a Philosophy of Religion (more like of Theology and the existence of God) class right now. Don't pray for a solution to PO; I even mock the idea of something like that. |
I've been praying to win the lotto.  |
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Impervius
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| Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 10:18 am Post subject: Re: Do Christians and other theists pray to God to fix PO? |
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| Religion is one of the main reasons we are in the big mess of peak oil and global warming. No one wants to do anything. They just wanna sit and pray and leave it up to god. |
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RonMN
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| Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 11:02 am Post subject: Re: Do Christians and other theists pray to God to fix PO? |
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This thread reminds me of an old argument with my sis...her point was "I don't have to lift a finger, because God will provide for me because I have faith"...
My retort was "if God provides rabbits to eat...do YOU have the ability to catch & kill the rabbit"? "do YOU have the skills to skin, gut, and cook the rabbit"?
So she rolls her eyes at me and tells me what a lunatic I am 
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emersonbiggins
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| Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 11:18 am Post subject: Re: Do Christians and other theists pray to God to fix PO? |
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| RonMN wrote: | This thread reminds me of an old argument with my sis...her point was "I don't have to lift a finger, because God will provide for me because I have faith"...
My retort was "if God provides rabbits to eat...do YOU have the ability to catch & kill the rabbit"? "do YOU have the skills to skin, gut, and cook the rabbit"?
So she rolls her eyes at me and tells me what a lunatic I am |
Food comes from the grocery store, DUH!
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vetusfirma
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| Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 11:39 am Post subject: Re: Do Christians and other theists pray to God to fix PO? |
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I see so much hate and loathing on this site that I pray my children will be safe from you all.
And when I'm done praying, I start planning on how I can make that happen.
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Cog
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| Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 12:31 pm Post subject: Re: Do Christians and other theists pray to God to fix PO? |
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I do not pray to God to fix Peak Oil. What I do pray for is wisdom and judgment, while I prepare to help my family through the bad times that will come.
I have faith that when I die, I will be with God in heaven. Until that day comes, I will do all the prepping that I can to insure my familie's survival, regardless of the circumstances we find ourselves in.
In my prayer life, I also pray for members of this board, who do not know God and his Son, that they will find him. My theory is it can't hurt. |
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Rogozhin
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 3:23 am Post subject: Re: Do Christians and other theists pray to God to fix PO? |
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| Quote: | I do not pray to God to fix Peak Oil. What I do pray for is wisdom and judgment, while I prepare to help my family through the bad times that will come.
I have faith that when I die, I will be with God in heaven. Until that day comes, I will do all the prepping that I can to insure my familie's survival, regardless of the circumstances we find ourselves in.
In my prayer life, I also pray for members of this board, who do not know God and his Son, that they will find him. My theory is it can't hurt. |
I came to realize after 18 years of religion and 8 years of academic philosophy that 'meditation' and 'prayer' are synonyms in this modern global vernacular. Unfortunately my liver hurts when I use either of these psychic mechanisms.
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Micki
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 4:10 am Post subject: Re: Do Christians and other theists pray to God to fix PO? |
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I don't pray to God about PO.
Jesus taught us that if and when we pray we only need to pray "Our Father".
God already knows our thoughts and feelings.
(And it seems absolutely logical that God knows all these things without us articulating it into words.)
Secondly, I am not convinced that praying about it will make any difference. All we can do it focus on doing the right things and have our minds straight and then see how it goes.
Having that said, I am not foreign to the idea that prayer can have other positive results besides trying to convince God.
For example generation of positive energy, bit like what Dr Emoto suggests with his ice crystal experiments.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 6:25 am Post subject: Re: Do Christians and other theists pray to God to fix PO? |
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| What's important is additude, feelings and rhythm (life cycle). |
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mrobert
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Micki
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 7:10 pm Post subject: Re: Do Christians and other theists pray to God to fix PO? |
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| Quote: | | "Crude oil drops $5 on NYMEX, on increased supply of prayers." |
Prayers are clearly also inversly correlated to stocks.
That end bit of the chart is a very revealing contrarian indicator.
Masses suddenly ceasing praying and most likely reverting back to worshipping mammon is a strong indicator stocks may be in for a rally again.
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JJ
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 8:02 pm Post subject: Re: Do Christians and other theists pray to God to fix PO? |
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| RonMN wrote: | This thread reminds me of an old argument with my sis...her point was "I don't have to lift a finger, because God will provide for me because I have faith"...
My retort was "if God provides rabbits to eat...do YOU have the ability to catch & kill the rabbit"? "do YOU have the skills to skin, gut, and cook the rabbit"?
So she rolls her eyes at me and tells me what a lunatic I am |
"faith without works is dead" sis?
a lady came into the produce department today with her teen daughter. We talked for a few minutes about rising food prices and gas prices, then PO. She then turned to her daughter and said "you know, this is all laid out in Revelations". She got the LATOC and PO.com website names from me and left, after thanking me. she was very, very nice.
tommorrow she will probably hack me to death with a machete. |
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