Any Americans still pro-immigration?

GeneralGreen

Here in Poland,
If I didnt have the right paperwork and the police checked me..I would be arrested, fined and likely deported..I would be illegal...
I dont see the problem..They are illegal. they should be sent back.
I think what will happen is as the US Fractionizes....Souther Calf,NM, AZ, Part of TX will become their own state. I expect a mass exodus of whites and black people from these states when the cliff event roles around.

Muckingfess

I don't think you will see too many people leaving Texas voluntarily. Those that are not citizens will be deported, either back to Mexico or back to their home state.

You will see a lot of pseudo Texans leave because they don't have the proper mentality to make it here. They came because the economy was good and it was easy to make good money. When it gets a little tough they will run back to their home state.
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socrates1fan · Heavy Crude Joined: Jun 04, 2008 Posts: 270

I'm not against immigration, I'm against illegal immigration.

Nickel

Windmills

I live an hour from the border, and my view until I became peak aware was the same as it was for all our previous generations of immigrants from around the world that make up our population: read the Statue of Liberty inscription.

My concern now is strictly from a population control point of view. I think we need to pay much more attention to our carrying capacity. Since we are heading into uncertain times, it's better to err on the side of lower population. Hundreds of my extended family are Hispanics and Mexicans, so I hope this doesn't come across as racist, although I do believe much of the ill will surrounding immigration up to this time has stemmed mainly from bigotry. America is definitely a racist country.

In the very near future, we aren't going to need our cheap wage-slave labor from the south. With six straight months of job losses and many more to come, people will be taking whatever job they can find for whatever amount of money is offered. People will line the borders to keep out the immigrants because they will be competing much more directly for jobs. The drunken beggars that used to drop their bucket of change on my store counter and buy a case of Milwalkee's Beast may actually get replaced by people who really "will work for food."

Tyler_JC

The US needs to adopt a Pro-America immigration policy.

We currently need more nurses in this country, we should increase the number of visas for nurses.

We do NOT need any more construction workers in this country, we should decrease the number of visas for construction workers.

We should be treating this like a business. If we need workers of a particular skill set, that's who we should let into the country.

Otherwise we are merely adding another half dozen mouths to feed for each unnecessary worker admitted to the country.

I don't understand why this is so controversial. We have an established border with established laws about entry and exit. If you break those laws, you should be sent home. If I break into Canada, the Canadians have every right to send me back here, no?
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evilgenius

My position on this issue is simple. I believe in an open door policy with a few caveats. First, there has to be a civics test that is comprehensive and constitutionally based. We have to be certain that the immigrants know their rights, not either what they think are their rights or the nothing they know now. Second, they must pass an English proficiency test that is comprehensive. Third, for at least a generation immigrants from south of the border will have to renounce their native citizenship and commit to becoming members of the US. There can't be any secret plan to build a stash and then move back to Mexico in their latter years.
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Tyler_JC

ORCA

First, let me state that I do not mind being called "racist" or "bigot" or any other worn term used by someone who cannot argue the facts.

Now...Stop all immigration into the U.S. and let's take a breath. I'm speaking of LEGAL immigration. We simply do not need any more unskilled people coming into the country. Let's do an analysis on what skills we need and start again allowing those who have those skills to enter.

Illegals? Well...they are ILLEGAL. What about being illegal does anyone not understand? Those already here have no interest in adopting the American culture. Have any or you not seem them marching in American streets demanding their RIGHTS? Each and every one should be ferreted out and kicked bag and baggage out of the U.S.!

Another dumb law that should be halted until repeal is allowing anyone from anywhere under any circumstances that squirts out an infant here, that baby is now an American citizen. What crap is
THAT?

To answer Pop's question, I have three sons. One is a commercial fisherman out of Dutch Harbor in the Aleutians. Another waits tables for tips. The third works the front desk of a hotel. I'm sure each of them would like to see the cheap illegal labor gone so they could make a decent wage.
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coyote

Windmills +1

With Americans eating up so much more than their share of resources and pollution sinks, and with most of our continued growth coming from immigrants and their children, immigration becomes an issue of population and ecology. No more and no less.
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Ayoob · Expert Joined: Jul 15, 2004 Posts: 1038

Tyler,

We don't need to import more nurses, we need to build nursing schools. This place may be an economy, but it's also home. This is the home for the people who live here.

You can't balance supply and demand of labor if you simply import more labor every time you have a shortage. Wages have no chance to go up.

IIRC, you're planning on having a job at some point. How are you going to like it when you get your job which pays well, only to have a hundred more people imported into your town to compete for your job? It sucks bud, it destroys the motivation to continue with education or to build a labor-based business such as bricklaying or painting. Why go into that field when there are millions and millions of low-paid laborers streaming into your country?

I remember when roofers used to make $26 an hour in the 70s. That was good pay for a potentially hazardous job. Even with all the inflation we've seen in the last 30 years, the huge importation of cheap labor has driven that wage down to $12 an hour.

It sucks, Tyler. You'll figure it out one day.

I figure we're just all full up here, we don't need any more people. Let the people that will do dangerous, demanding, complicated, or messy work get paid a premium for that.

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